Author Topic: Luftwaffe guncamera (Read 1056 times)

fd ski · « **Reply #45 on:** June 19, 2002, 02:39:39 PM »

what's up with the spray and pray ?

The last clip 109 vs DC3, talk about a dweeb !!! That was the instruction how NOT to do it, i'd hope

Seriously now, i think all that this movie proves is that either:

a) we're far more experianced then those who filmed it, in terms of shooting, assuming that virual and real can be equated here

b) it was far harder to control the plane that it is in AH.

Hristo · « **Reply #46 on:** June 19, 2002, 03:10:02 PM »

Il2 has some interesting effects. Get directly behind a plane and it is harder to keep it steady. could be me tho

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We are dweebs who got to learn from our mistakes. They didn't have that luxury.

fats · « **Reply #47 on:** June 19, 2002, 04:28:38 PM »

fd ski,

Think it was Anton Hackl who said at '44 they estimated it required two Fw 190's ammo load to bring down a bomber with the avg. LW pilot doing the shooting.

It's been a while since I saw the quote, but it was something really high compared with the hit percentages people get in the games. My point is people are way better marksmen in the games.

More I think about it, if you put someone with week's flying experience to shoot at things, he is likely to be shooting at 2% or less... even in games like AH.

// fats

Wilbus · « **Reply #48 on:** June 19, 2002, 04:42:27 PM »

And then remove the icons fats and it will get even lower.

Wotan · « **Reply #49 on:** June 19, 2002, 05:11:51 PM »

This film has floating around for years. There was a recent discussion on agw about this.

As for the planes being hard to control. Fly a 190 above 22k in ah. In Big Week, flying a 190a8 at 27k was all about positioning. There was no turning at that alt. If you werent light on the controls you would have never lined up a shot. In real life the attacker had to deal with prop wash, the cold and fear of death.

I agree with hristo

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the 190A-7 vs Liberator at the beginning of the movie is the best IMO. A true expert at work.

But the a8 vrs laGG5 is my favorite..........

Daff · « **Reply #50 on:** June 19, 2002, 06:43:38 PM »

LW gun cameras were also 24fps. If it's slo-mo, it's either done in the telecine or post.

Daff

Naudet · « **Reply #51 on:** June 20, 2002, 03:35:24 AM »

Hristo, i doubt that the FW190 wasn't able to follow the Jug, he just had to go to lag pursuit to see his target.

Remember this:

The gun camera is placed in the wing, it has the same view angle up and down, while the poor pilot has that engine in front of his cockpit. And to kill the Jug the FW190 guy had to see it. That why i think the guy stayed so long in pure and lag pursuit. A few times he went to lead and took a short burst, just to switch back to lag to see if his target is still there.

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #52 on:** June 20, 2002, 09:59:15 AM »

The DB-3 in the last clip was a real torch compared to the liberators and B17s. One burst in the right engine and the whole wing caught fire. Just like in the books!

Great video, some of the clips I hadn't seen before, thanks!

Camo