Parity??? My arse, I don't think so

[Drunky]

For many months I have really, really been enjoying the CT.  I offers much that the MA does not anymore;  a sense of a small community, courteous respect and an overall sense of maturity.

That being said I've noticed the ever persistant over-balancing of allied vs axis.  Nothing new.  Been there, done that many, many times before.  Asked before for some allied to switch.  Many times have seen people switch...people I respect, (36DD comes to mind tonight)...people who want to fight not gangbang.

The real problem...squads

To wit...tonight axis were outnumbered.  Nothing new you say...except it was 34 to 9...almost 4 to 1 .  Okay..you say...whoopeee, that happens.

Of the 34 allied I counted 29 allies in three (3) squads (I will not mention squad names that's not the point) but that greatly offset the entire arena.

When asked for people to switch...only individuals switched...not squads.

If squads are going to fly the CT (especially with the low numbers) perhaps we should consider a rotation or schedule that allows for parity within the CT.  Otherwise we greatly reduce the level of quality that the CT has maintained.

If ya only want to gangbang....go to the MA and join the biggest country...enjoy the banging'

If ya only want to take bases...go the the training arena...lot's of bases and noone to defend them all.

If ya only want to fly against courteous, capable, mature pilots in a balanced, enjoyable enviroment...then join the CT but keep the numbers even

There...rant over...I feel better

Drunky

[senna]

Obviously that looked like great cheating. Even I was fooled

[Löwe]

Originally posted by Drunky

The real problem...squads

To wit...tonight axis were outnumbered.  Nothing new you say...except it was 34 to 9...almost 4 to 1 .  Okay..you say...whoopeee, that happens.

Of the 34 allied I counted 29 allies in three (3) squads (I will not mention squad names that's not the point) but that greatly offset the entire arena.
Drunky [/B]

I'll tell you who one squad was. VF-27 which I am proudly a member. Drunky, you Axis guys have no trouble showing when you got the rides you like do you? If it's LW vs anybody your there in force. We wait usually at least five weeks between PTO set-ups. We don't whine, we don'y boycott, we fly what we got waiting for that one week of PTO so we can fly our rides. We fly Russian which we hate, we fly RAF, which we hate, and we fly USAAF which we are bored with. WE do show however and we do fly, weather we like the arena or not. If the problem in the CT is squads it's because of a lack of participation on the Axis side. If your rides are not there you don't show, or the ones that do get on chnl 1 and berate us because we are flying what we want.
We've been dodging jets, and FWs for weeks, and instead of going somewhere else to fly we stick it out like it or not because we're dedicated to the CT arena. Don't whine about us whine about your fair weather axis flyers who are out in force when the rides they like are available. Then don't show if they don't like the set-up. But we're there weather  it's one we like or not, supporting this arena. You,  and Vulgar can blow your  insults right out your six and sleep with it. I'm pissed with all this baby crap your passing, as hard as we work to be there, then the one time we get our planes, you guys act like kids and don't show, or whine the whole time. We're an Allied CV squad, it's not our job or intent to make it easy on you, thats your squads job.
In warbirds I formed 2 axis squads to keep the numbers even in their version of the CT. I'm not impressed with a cry baby who'll be jumping with glee next week in his 262 or TA-152, next week, but can't fly this week. This crap gets old , quit whining and start flying. Most the JGs in AH are excellant and would kick butt in anything they flew. So quit squeaking about my squad complain about your owns lack of support of the CT.

[Löwe]

Not worth reading

[Chanter]

Sorry Drunky,

I realize the numbers were off, however, we mostly stayed away from the fights to avoid flooding the area you guys were in.  We had coordinated a Joint Ops Mission with VF-27 (our fellow squids) and had been really looking forward to working with each other for the first time; more so do to the arena being down for a day earlier, and PTO setups are weeks apart.

For the most part early on this evening, we were simply trying to get some of our newer guys to successfully take a fully loaded F4U off of the CV without splashing.  Later, we ran one co-op mission with VF-27 on a port that wouldn't have (or shouldn't have) made a difference to the arena overall, to get a feel for working together.

We will switch to balance numbers, and do so often, however, we'd prearranged tonight's activities with VF-27 and were anxious to fly with our new commrades.  This afternoon when I was in the CT, I flew against VF-27; all of whom were flying Axis.

Sorry again for the hard feelings it caused, but also realize that berating and saying folks have no honour etc on ch 1 does little good in the grand scheme of things.

[Squire]

I agree completely with what Lowe said.

Anyways when the numbers get bad, we do Jabo raids, not fighter sweep, to do some good for our side. We did 2 fighter-bomber raids tonight and only 1 sweep.

We will fly axis in the future if the numbers dont look so good, but we have a squad that is a CT based unit, and thats how we will fly it.

If its bad ratio wise next time, we will fly as "880th Sentai" our evil universe double.

Regards.

[Jester]

I will have to agree with all of my guys and our fellow "Squids" from 880 sqdn. F.A.A.

We are a squad based on a Pacific based USN Carrier Squadron - PERIOD. We wait 3 to 4 weeks for a PTO scenario to finally come around, you can bet your family jewels we are going to fly the planes are squad is based.

We are very true to our Navy theme - you will find us flying planes off the CV's as long as one is available. PERIOD. We don't run and grab the hotter land planes, which we could easily, but usually end up flying the old Hurricane or if luck is with us the Seafire.

I don't want to hear this "BS" about side balancing. As Lowe said above, we flew the Spit & Hurri 1's in BOB, the Russian klunkers (not the LA-7's) in Stalingrad & Citadel and the Spit V & Hurri II in the Afrika scenario when the Allies were pretty damn thin and the skies were black with Axis birds. Several times VF-27 has went AXIS and flew to even things up when it was totally one sided and even split the squad to try to work up some action.

As was pointed out, most of our guys will go and fly Axis when not on squad nights but come squad night we are going to be sitting on an ALLIED carrier deck.

As for the imbalance tonight in the CT - exactly how many of us jumped you? NOT ONE. We flew two sorties in the CT before it crashed (again) and never saw a single con. So did we jump on what was there? No we went over to the far side of the map and hit a CV group and a port. There were 15 of VF-27 and 8 from 880 Sqdn. and no one got a kill.

IMHO you would do better to quit "WHINING", get off your can, and get to actively recruiting (That is what we did) for some players that like to fly Axis or like a REAL challenge and get them in a squad and flying on the Axis side. It can be done - I belonged to JG 51 in Warbirds and we were the terror of the Historical Arena. We could put up 36 pilots and usually averaged 25 a squad night. Very few Allied squads that could stop us even with their Mustangs, Corsairs, Juggs, Lightnings & hordes of EVERY DAMN MODEL OF SPITFIRE EVER MADE! INCLUDEING THE DAMN PROTOTYPE!

Lastly, VULGAR - about that crack about me "Not having any Honor" - be VERY VERY glad there are two monitors and a "long" string of wire between us mate. I am a Firefighter & EMT and consider myself very honorable.

[Skyfoxx]

Look forward to many more co ops with the VF-27 in the future. It was a real pleasure flying with those guys last night. A fine bunch of pilots there.
Good to see a dedicated Hellcat squad, but then I have a soft spot for the Hellkitty anyway.

[Sabre]

Fly which ever side you want but please, PLEASE...leave the frigging Bish bases alone!  Arena got inadverdently reset again last night.  When I checked last night, there were three, but the above mentioned squads were attacking P40.  This didn't cause a problem immediatley, but another was apparently taken later (after I logged off, of course), reducing the Bish to one and causing a reset.  Now I'm stuck at work for the next nine hours, and can't reset things.

Sabre
CT Staff

[ergRTC]

Yeah sabre that was our mistake.  I thought the bish fields were AWAY from the action.  I should have noticed, but in the CT with only two sides, its green and red.  I dont look at the little symbols.  What in '@#$@ name is the enemy port doing in the middle of friendly land?  

We were quite embarassed that we dumped the map but the more I think about it, the more that kind of thing should be minimized.  Particularly for the CT.  We dont care a whole lot about the download (hell only 40 of us anyway), so next time, if there is such a blatant mistake on the map........


And to vulgar corwin and drunky.  Guys, next time pay attention.  We were no where near any of the action.  We included 20-25 pilots.  That means when you were throwing your hissy fits and spoiling the normally civil environment of the CT (only the second time I have had to squelch someone in there), why dont you look around first and figure out what the hell you are talking about.  allied 25-32 = 7
axis pilots = 10 (when you were crapping all over yourselves)


Get a fricking grip and dont behave like that in the CT.  All three of you guys are excellent pilots, and normally have been a little more mature.  Was this a beer thing perhaps?

[Otto]

Squads should fly together.  That's the reason they exist.   If my squad is in the CT I'll 'try' to even the sides if it dosen't disrupt any prior plans for the night but there are squads that see themselfs and either Allied or Axis.  I understand there reluctance to switch and I don't think less of them.

    I've been playing online flight sims for seven years and I have to say in all honesty that I just don't understand this fixcation on side balance.  I'm not trying to flame anyone because there are some people who really think it's important.  I'm just not one of them.

[Drunky]

All,

First I would like to apologize for the tone of my post.  It was out of frustration, not entirely fair and as ergRTC said, beer was involved.  I'm called Drunky not because I fly goons a lot.  I fly with a twelve pack next to my computer.  I start flying good around the 3rd beer and begin to fly bad around the 9th Usually I try not to post after a certain point...but it happens from time to time.  For that, again, I apologize.

Second, in response to Lowe...I typically fly Axis because they are usually outnumbered...I always have.  I ended up joining a LW squad because I became good in their planes.

During Stalingrad I also flew Russian because they were outnumbered.  Didn't like flying the Russian planes the same as you didn't.  I fly almost every night in the CT regardless of theatre of operations.  I fly regardless of the plane set.  So, I would appreciate if you do not use blanket LW statements when referring to me as it does not wholly apply.

I enjoy flying Allied also.  When I yearn to fly a P38 (one of my personal favorites) or a Spit (because they are fun) I typically go to other arenas.  Ocassionally, when numbers are close, I have gone allied and had fun also  It's kinda fun killing your mates from the other side.

Chanter...I didn't realize that two of the squads were not engaging directly.  Although I believe that one squad was.  ergRTC that would make your math a little different than 32-25=7 vs 10.

I was at A3 with 8+ cons.  I looked on the map and saw 3 sectors with con bar around A8 (I believe...the closest base next to A7).  A8 (again I'm not sure of the base number) had just been attacked by P47's from A7 and so I figure that we were getting hit at two bases with almost 4 to 1 odds.  I jumped to conlusions because of the dar bar up north and for that I also apologize.

I will repeat once again what I said orginally...would it be feasible to stagger squad nights in order not to overbalance the CT.  I will also see about starting a squad night for JG2 in the CT.  Before you pooh, pooh me again...please keep in mind...last night there were 32 allies in squads...that's around the usual number for both sides in the CT on most nights.

One last thing...when I asked for someone to switch sides some agreed to and that is greatly appreciated.  The best response I received other than that was a simple "NO"...although I missed who it was from.

I am aware that VF-27 flies Tuesday and Thursday in the CT.  I was not expected other squads there also.  A quick explanation that the VF's and 880 were doing a joint op would have been instructional and apprectiated.

again...and one last apology for my behaviour.

And btw...Lowe, I hope you understand if I dont "blow your insults right out your six and sleep with it"

Otto...I don't have a direct fixation about have balanced sides...I have a fixation with not facing 4 to 1 odds.

Drunky

[ergRTC]

I knew there was beer involved!

I was at a7 flying a ki with contsel when the 47s came and ran (got 2 of em), then I had to switch to allied for squad night.  I think the 32-25 is correct though, since 880 joined in on our fiasco down south.  I am not sure how many guys were in 880 but at the beginning of squad night we had 15 and many late shows added to that.

 I looked up near a7 when you started complaining, and it did look like many allied sectors, but not a whole lot of planes total.

Somebody was complaining about vulching, was that axis? and did that have anything to do with the discontent?

Normally the bucs come and play but I did not see them.  The assassins have not been around either.  Must be free beer in the MA.

I just think this was one night of seemingly bad numbers.  Nothing more..........

[Löwe]

NP Drunky just showing my arse

[Samm]

The 308 made the decision before squadnight yesterday to fly Axis because we anticipated that IJN would be outnumbered . Was nice to see 40 some players in the arena though even if 30 of them were on one side .