Ok, fighter jocks, why is it "pig pile" on the BUFFs?

[Wotan]

back on your horse sling?

whining about whines..........  

this thread is a question by bd5 about why folks have an animosity toward buffers. you enter it then whine about others reply ..........see the pattern

[sling322]

Maybe you should read the whole thread first Wotan then you can start throwing stones...  

If you would have bothered doing so then you would have seen that I posted my position about the buffers vs. furballers thing.  My second post was a simple jest at AN's suggestion about a "Fightertown"...hence the little smiley thing at the end of it.  

Methinks you got your leather LuftWeiner chaps on a little tight today mate.     <-----note smiley once again....denoting another jest.

[texace]

Ugh...how many times must I tell you.

BOMBER PILOTS AREN'T ATTENTION STARVED NEWBIES WITH NOTHING TO DO!!!!

I am sick and tired of all you pansy assed fighter boys pissing and moaning about us bomber pilots. I fly bombers to help my country in taking your fields. You don't like it? Climb to 25K and shoot me down. The only people whining in here are the fighter jocks who can't stand having their fun ruined by some bomber pilot. It seems now us bomber guys must conform to
their rules so that they can have fun.

       

 

[SC-Mutt]

I can understand, and support any reasonable issues regarding ANY plane, It's handling, Gunnery etc. That would make it more realistic as far as Simulation will tolerate.

IMHO, The accuracy we have always strove for in the AH FM, Increases the simulation's appeal to us. Challenging us to improve ourselves, to adapt, and overcome. Much like those great souls we emmulate. (Sans, gut wrenching terror, Death and/or dismemberment,etc. of course).

I believe that HTC rose on a Monday, Saw the MAIN ARENA, That it was STRAT, And that it was Good, (And would be better).  As the war progressed, HTC saw occasional furballing, Solo B17 joks, stomp rudders, and yank triggers, in futile attempts to RTB safely after an 8 grid flight, And worried not; For the war will police it's self. Those errant, brought in line. THIS was AH, MA, It was STRAT, It was  Good, (And would be better).

On Wednesday Morning, (Hung over Tuesday, No workie), HTC saw the Good that was STRAT, (and would be better), Saw the fog lift, and in that moment of clarity, Shortened the story thus.. For HTC so loved the AH ehhh, community, He Lowered the price, (Knowing the whiners would come), And to save the beloved AH, MA, STRAT, (good n' gettin better), Waived his uhh.. PEN, over the ferma, errr.. Fermini.. big empty place, And LO; The COMBAT THEATRE appeared!!

A Furballer's heaven! Allied vs. Axis!! No Bomber problem! (As IF there was a problem!)
And Cheap too!!!

MORAL:
Don't 'Handicap' the sim to suit you! Get over your shortcomings, The AH gang will help, And EVERYONE benefits!

We all like to furball, Bomb, Whatever to varying degrees. AH is the only sim I've seen to really try to accomidate everybody. Lets build on that, Not tear down what's already working for the MAJORITY.

My 23 cents {S}

Remember,BE HAPPY! (Cuz OUR worst nightmare is a CTD after takeoff in a PERK plane!)

[Staga]

Originally posted by lazs1:

A lot of guys just ignore buffs and hope they don't ruin things too badly or, if they do, that there will be some other place to fite.  That don't make for a lot of good feelings whenever a buff flies over.

That's your way to play the game.
Week or two ago I chased 30-32k flying B-17 with P-51.
I saw a high alt b-17 somewhere near A10 in isles-map when I was @20k. I followed him 50-75miles (maybe more), slowly gaining alt to get on his flight-level and after chanceing bullets with him I shot him down near his main-island in north.
I lost my engine but from 30k I was able to glide back to one of our fields east of center island.

Of course I could give up and let that B-17 fly back home safely but thats just not the way I play this game.
There was a chance I get killed on that fight against B-17 but I wanted to try my luck and I won.
Leaving buff alone means you lose that fight before it even started.

[Apar1]

S! Staga,

Couldn't agree more,  

[Wilbus]

BLAAAAA! I am up late during weekends and a few days during the week! No sleep for me!  

[LePaul]

Originally posted by texace:
Ugh...how many times must I tell you.

BOMBER PILOTS AREN'T ATTENTION STARVED NEWBIES WITH NOTHING TO DO!!!!

I am sick and tired of all you pansy assed fighter boys pissing and moaning about us bomber pilots. I fly bombers to help my country in taking your fields. You don't like it? Climb to 25K and shoot me down. The only people whining in here are the fighter jocks who can't stand having their fun ruined by some bomber pilot. It seems now us bomber guys must conform to
their rules so that they can have fun.
   

You hit it right on the head.  You don't see US demanded THEIR guns be weakened, or that their aircraft moves TOO fast or is TOO agile.

Yet they accuse US of ruining THEIR game.

The adjectives they use to describe anyone driving a buff is always derogatory...they can't get it into their skulls that they are part of the game, like it or not, for a reason.

[bowser]

Hilarious.  You start this thread under the pretense of trying to understand the resentment from fighters.  When people try to offer explainations, you ignore them or piss on them.  So the fighter guys give up in exasperation trying to explain and now the bombers guys are left to talk amongst themselves, bashing the fighter guys.  Friggin' hilarious.

Maybe instead of taking up space on this board, you can start a therapy group for bombers? You know, to discuss your feelings of persecution, etc.  

bowser

[ 09-22-2001: Message edited by: bowser ]

[lazs1]

"LePaul it's pretty simple.

The bombers have defensive capabilities which surpass anything in recorded history.

Their ability to hit multiple targets on a single pass from high altitude is surpassed only by the B-2 with GPS bombs. (I'm not kidding.)

And too many MA bombers abuse their superpowers. Ackstars, lonewolf super-high altitude plinking, porking fields where good dogfights are happening, carbombing, etc.

The fighters are not perfect but their offensive and defensive capabilities are a lot closer to the real thing than the bombers.

That's why there is resentment."

You just dont get it eh lepaul?   What is so hard to understand?   You have too much affect on the gameplay and on too many players and.... you do it in a highly unrealistic way.

Wotan get's it... How can someone like wotan who flies both get it and not you lepaul...  You give a lot of lip service to wanting to find out why there is so much animosity but when you are told the reason(s)  you ignore them or argue that they don't exist!  Or, worse yet, claim that, so what, that's tough, now why don't you really like us?

sling is right but... I'm not disagreeing that the way furballs/melees.... fights... are formed is goal oriented.   We don't need bombers to capture a field tho.   They didn't in any war I know of either.  In fact, it is more realistic and less lopsided if they don't participate since they have too much affect comparitively...If the fields were a lot harder to capture or the cities were a lot bigger then, we might need bombers.   If the fields were a lot easier to capture then the resentment would probly not exist since there would be good fites close by all the time.

I HAVE seen the "front" devoid of any good fites for long periods of time.   It happens all the time.  All the close fields are de-fighterhangered with nothing but flackpanzers and some kinda truck that is immune to gunfire.  If the fields are a solid red or green bar only.... that ain't a good fite.   If the field is far away then the radar info is useless so far as determining if the fite will be good when you get there.

et... your post is nothing but exageration, downplay, ignorance and wishfull thinking.   No wonder lecar was so enthused with it that he praised it.  

Guess what?  regardless of all this, I bet it changes.   It changed once for the better and when it changes again it will be for the better.... I bet the next change has bombers being a little more realistic and having a lot less effect on the game than the totally lopsided one they have now.

bet it changes pretty soon.
lazs

[eskimo2]

Lazs1:
I also fly both fighters and bombers as well as drive GVs.
Very few folks in this game are as "well rounded" (if you will) as I.  This gives me a more objective viewpoint.  I literally can see both sides of the coin because I regularly flip it (the coin).

In my opinion; Bombers don't have it so well in AH.
It takes them a long time to get anywhere and they have a terrible K/D.
Flying a bomber is full of more disappointments than flying a fighter.
If you don't believe me, try it.

Lazs1, I give you a challenge;
Spend a night flying buffs.
See how it goes, then voice your opinion.

Only the Lancaster can shut down fighter opps at a small or large field (solo).  To do this, it must fly for 15 to 45 min to the target, and then 10 to 20 min to get home (if he survives).  It takes 2 passes to get all Fhs, so fighter opps are only down for 13.5 min.  That's a lot of time just to shut down FO at a field for 13.5 min.  1 fighter, on the other hand, can kill a VH, de-ack a field, and then provide a cap (often preventing fighter opps) on it for 30 min.  

You also wrote:
"We don't need bombers to capture a field tho. They didn't in any war I know of either."

Lazs1,
This is a game.
Fighters never captured fields either, so what?
Capturing territory was done with a combination of/or ground, air and naval forces.
This sim (or any at this point) can not simulate reality.
Instead, we play a game where a limited number can try to achieve an objective using planes, ships and vehicles from WWII.
Do you think furballs are realistic?
Give me a break.
US planes fighting US planes, German VS. German.
Most folks lone wolfing it.
Everyone (or most of us) learning by doing, instead of receiving actual military combat flight training.
No one REALLY cares if they die.
When they do die, they get to come back to life again.

You also wrote:
"If the fields are a solid red or green bar only.... that ain't a good fite. "

It ain't?
One of the most satisfying things that you can do in this game is deprive 10 or so enemy, who are hard at work trying to capture a field, of their objective all by yourself (by hunting down and killing their goon while you are out numbered).  
Or upping from a capped base and killing 1 or 2 vulchers who had everything going for them.

And remember;
Not everyone is here just to furball.
A lot of folks come to enemy bases to shut them down and capture them.
Some of them drive fighters, some are in Gvs, and some are in bombers.

eskimo

P.S.
You sound like you don't like buff guns.
Please read:
The 50 cal. Buff Gun Laser Myth, Part 2: Ballistics and Energy

Topic: The 50 cal. Buff Gun Laser Myth, Part 2: Ballistics

[Wotan]

nobody cares if buffs die alot (or if they have a tough time in ah) not even most buff pilots as demonstrated by how they fly umm.


The facts about how some fighter pilots feel about buffs are evident in this post. bd5 asked a question and didn't like the answers.

Buffs have terrible k/d do to suicide buff flights car bombers newbies crashing them 7 or 8 times before someone tells them about auto take off and numerous other reasons. I have racked up almost 18 kills on 1 guy carbombing (2 or 3 tours ago on nh cougar thnx mate ) so k/d has nothing at all to do with this thread.

Most fighters guys answering this thread kill buffs rather regularly so this aint about gun lethality.

I will explain it once more.

a single buff in ah has to great an impact on the type of gameplay the majority of main pilots enjoy

Reread this thread if you are unsure what type of gameplay that is. Or better yet go to the main and see.

I fly buffs and nothing about ah buffs requires escorts check 6 calls or formations. A single buff can ruin the fun of 20+ plus people (many more if they rely on radar as a crutch).

Fighter pilots are by far the majority and bd5 and others are telling the majority that inorder for you (buffers) to continue your fun or the fun of the by far minority the majority oughta shut and and deal with it and adjust to how they (buffers)wanna fly.

Thats not  gonna happen I suspect people will get more vocal and hopefully HTC will look at it.

but i dont suspect or feel that it should be a high priority especial given the reported strat enhancements coming in 1.08.

All your arguing is not going to change that.

Again we have answered the question posed by the thread topic but you buffiphites are unwilling to listen or respect the answer.

[Karnak]

Why is there this assumption that the 20 fighter jocks just want to furball and their fun is ruined by the bombers?

Isn't just a bit possible that a bunch of those fighter jocks are trying to capture the base?

I know that I have never felt that my fun was ruined by a Buff dropping the hangers.

[LePaul]

Because the egos of Lazs and Wotan *assume* they speak for all.  

[AN]

Karnak:
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I know that I have never felt that my fun was ruined by a Buff dropping the hangers.
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I have.

anRky