Lets have BOTH a rolling plane set AND perk planes.

[Ripsnort]

(Apologies if someone has already posted this idea)

First off, I personally dislike the RPS in Warbirds..however, an alteration of this would be...
why not have both a rolling plane set AND perked planes?


It'd work like this:
All planes are available the first "Early Plane" week, but all those not an early war plane is perked(only 39-41 are not perked) The "perked planes" this first week would still be available, but at a low cost.

Then the 2nd week  of the rolling plane set, the 39-43 planes are "unperked" but late is still perked...

Then the 3rd week 39-44 planes are "unperked", then the last week ALL planes (except maybe 262) are unperked(39-45).  This gives us a RPS AND Perk plane capability.

[MANDOBLE]

That would be good for those that can keep playing regulary along the entire month, what keep in mind that, due work or whatever, some other may have their play time limited to 2 or 3 weeks per month.

[lazs2]

yeah... let's make sure the arena is lopsided 24/7 but with less choice.    You can drive off the "dedicated" pee 51 guys along with all the new guys who don't like dodging superior ac (real or percieved.. works out the same) that they can't have.

congrats on selecting the worst of both worlds and combining em ripsnore.
lazs

[straffo]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
That would be good for those that can keep playing regulary along the entire month, what keep in mind that, due work or whatever, some other may have their play time limited to 2 or 3 weeks per month.

It can be overcome by giving a perk credit each start of TOD and reseting it a each end of TOD.

@laz : hu ???

[lazs2]

straffo... any system that puts the best players / those who live online in the best planes is gonna suck for the casual player who just wants to fly an hour or so now and then.    Any "RPS" is gonna piss off the players who only like to fly certain planes.

giving a certain amount of perks each tour and resetting em at the end will still assure that the best pilots have the best planes all tour and can beat up on the other players.   newbies will lose their "perk rides" rapidly and have no time in them to improve.   Giving everyone perk points at the begginning will assure that the arena is more full than it is now of perk rides.

any system that allows more perk planes in the arena= bad.   any system that allows less perk planes in the arena = good.
lazs

[popeye]

Well, I liked the WB RPS, but it would be even LESS popular if some players had late war planes while others had only early war stuff.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by lazs2
  Any "RPS" is gonna piss off the players who only like to fly certain planes.

Umm, I believe we had this in Warbirds for 6+ years and ya know what?  Those "pissed off players" kept relogging back in. Difference is here, you can STILL fly your favorite plane, at a low cost AND have your "Early war planeset" even more so than it is now.

[straffo]

Ok I got it Laz.

That's way I asked for a minimal amout of perk point so the casual player can afford any ride in the month (it's up to him to fly with care or not)

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by popeye
Well, I liked the WB RPS, but it would be even LESS popular if some players had late war planes while others had only early war stuff.

This is in line with the community calls for "Perk them all!" posts.

[Vermillion]

Umm, I believe we had this in Warbirds for 6+ years and ya know what? Those "pissed off players" kept relogging back in.

Ummmm actually no.  Many players saw a huge decrease in flight time per month, and then when AH started there was a mass exodus, like rats from a sinking ship.  Myself and a lot of others specifically left WB's due to our distaste for the RPS and then the Axis vs Allied arena.

And if you've been keeping up on AGW, it looks like iEN is starting to realize that the RPS and AvA type arena's are mostly just appealing to the "hard core" crowd, but keeping overall attendance down.  So they're starting to back away from those approachs.

[Ripsnort]

Verm, you know as well as I do that no one leaves a sim for one specific reason.  That may have been the "Cue" to leave for ya, but only because AH was available, or a few combinations of other things that causes those to leave.

RPS was always a controversial thing in WB's.  Just as "perk system" is here.  Maybe by combining the "worst of both worlds" you might end up with "the best of both worlds"...(Shrugs)

Right now, the MA resembles a "Relaxed Realism" that AW had.

[vega]

Screw the "rolling plane set."

[J_A_B]

"Umm, I believe we had this in Warbirds for 6+ years and ya know what? Those "pissed off players" kept relogging back in"

The ones who didn't quit the game outright, that is.    If you did this to AH, you can be dang sure I'd instantly cancel my account.   FYI I never even CONSIDERED subscribing to WB's because of the RPS.....and I bet I'm not the only one    


"Right now, the MA resembles a "Relaxed Realism" that AW had."

I think your memory might be a bit fuzzy, because the arena setups in AW RR and FR were exactly the same besides the differing difficulty levels.  Of course, AW had one thing AH lacks--multiple arenas.   AW could actually have (and DID have) things like populated euro/pacific/AvA arenas all of their own WITHOUT making the game un-fun for the rest of the players.   It also didn't have the connection problems that 500+ in one arena brings.  In many ways having a single more populous arena is a step backwards.

I'm not against your arena idea Rip, I'm just not FOR it as long as it would destroy my fun.  Surely you can't blame me for lobbying against something that would completely destroy the game for me!  If AH had a separate arena system like AW did, then I'd be supportive of your arena idea although I'd never fly in there personally.


J_A_B

[Ripsnort]

Re:AW arenas..dang, it was nice to have a choice, and always have population in those arena's, I'm afraid that in AH today, most would be empty, and most in the MA.  I guess that would be a valid point for why the MA is "working" the way it is...(shrugs)

What I meant about RR in the MA is, no historical footpath, ie, Spits shooting spits down, and 1939 planes in with 1945 planes.  Nothing to do with FM mind you.

[J_A_B]

"What I meant about RR in the MA is, no historical footpath, ie, Spits shooting spits down, and 1939 planes in with 1945 planes. Nothing to do with FM mind you."

That's what I'm trying to tell you--that's exactly how it always was in FR too.   There were of course "axis vs allied" 2-sided arenas available to both FR and RR although they were less popular.  AW's system didn't NEED the "best of both worlds"--it just had both worlds in full  

"it was nice to have a choice, and always have population in those arena's, I'm afraid that in AH today, most would be empty, and most in the MA."

AW's arenas were limited at considerably less than 550 people.   The fact that the AH MA is capable of supporting the entire nightly player base of AH is what kills alternate arenas.   Arenas in AW were added/removed as demand shifted.  For example, when the first "axis versus allied" arena opened, there were THREE of the regular "european" arenas (the equal of the AH MA) as well as a "pacific" arena (also similar to the AH MA), and a "fighter-only" arena.

Basically everyone could fly in the environment they wanted to.   Plus, if an arena had to down for maintanence, it didn't affect the entire player base like closing the MA in AH does.

J_A_B