Author Topic: Lets have BOTH a rolling plane set AND perk planes. (Read 758 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** June 25, 2002, 12:30:02 PM »

hmm, well, I was in DOS AW in 1989, I'm sure what you are referring to was much later..I didn't fly in AW after 1990, too expensive.

Steven · « **Reply #16 on:** June 25, 2002, 02:04:29 PM »

I'd like an RPS. It'd give me a chance to fly an F4F or P40 without getting continuously raped by 51s, D9s, LA7s and many others. I've heard some make points about people cancelling their account in disgust because they might not be able to fly their every single day. But how many will shy away because they can't fly their favorite plane (which just so happens to be an early-war aircraft) with enjoyment (not getting shot down the minute you see an enemy) for even just a few days? And don't tell me there is nothing preventing anyone from actually taking a Wildcat or Warhawk into the MA. How long is the typical player going to keep his account if he can't ever survive a fight in his *favorite*, i.e., early-war bird of choice?

WW2 didn't only take place in 1945.

popeye · « **Reply #17 on:** June 25, 2002, 02:40:13 PM »

The difference is that people who like the RPS are highly skilled, versatile, easy going, good looking players who don't stamp their feet and quit when things don't go exactly the way they want.

The anti-RPS group, however....

flecha · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2002, 04:50:08 PM »

I want bad to fly these early war machines in combat, against close matches, more or less like they historicaly did. The combat arena doesn´t suit me right now. There are no scenarios running in times available to me. If not enough, just look at the upcoming 1.11 planeset. Such splendid machines. Would you use them regularly in the MA? not really.

I think the idea, as posted by Ripsnort is just perfect. Maybe could only be better if the perkride prices are set by the 'market' instead of fixed tables.

flecha

bozon · « **Reply #19 on:** June 25, 2002, 06:05:06 PM »

no system would allow you to fly a spit I/f4f and be competative while not driving the crowds away.

the CT offers a partial solution, but for those who like to be "early war dedicated" it doesn't help. also, a lot of player don't like the setting and the diveded planesets.

with the growing player numbers (and complaints about huge furballs) and filling up the early-war plane set, the only solution would be a split for "early war" MA and a "late war" MA (the current one).
I know that in such a case i'll be playing both.

just like a fokker eindecker would not live in the same areana with an F-16 no matter the perks invulved.

Bozon

Tac · « **Reply #20 on:** June 26, 2002, 12:58:11 AM »

Thats called a ROLLING PERK SET.

Proposed by many people, including myself and you now, for a looooong time.

Can you IMAGINE the ungodly whining when all those n1k/p51/spitIX/la7 dweebs *grin* suddenly find themselves stripped of their security blanket? HORRIDO!

Can't imagine it? Then think of RAM, myself, Mandoble, Urchin and Lazer going off in Ch1 at the same time, multiplied by a factor of 50.

Furious · « **Reply #21 on:** June 26, 2002, 01:36:48 AM »

Only way I see something like this being workable would be to:

1. Scale perk costs based on time frame. ie, 190d9 would cost 300 perks first round, 150 second round, 75, third, 30 fourth, free last.

2. Give each player 500 or so PP's at start of each tour with no way to increase this number. Once you spend 'em yo are done with the planes above current set.

F.

Vermillion · « **Reply #22 on:** June 26, 2002, 09:13:51 AM »

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Can you IMAGINE the ungodly whining when all those n1k/p51/spitIX/la7 dweebs *grin* suddenly find themselves stripped of their security blanket? HORRIDO!

Again, thats where this proposal is fatally flawed.

Anyone who flew the RPS in WB's knows that there is always a "security" blanket aircraft, you just change the name of the icons. It just changes everyone so often depending on how fast the RPS rolls over.

For instance when the Fw190 is first introduced, it becomes fills the exact same spot as the La7 does now.

There's always gonna be a couple "best" planes, and the majority of the crowd is gonna fly them.

SOUP · « **Reply #23 on:** June 26, 2002, 09:50:15 PM »

Greetings,

I would like to see a rolling plane set. I do not favor highly perking late model planes while everyone else is limited to early model.

I would also like to see a perk system for all planes. The purpose of the perk points would be more to encourage people not to piss away aircraft on suicide runs. If every plane cost "something" then if you continue to piss them away you slowly work backwards til you can fly an IL-2 or a goonie!

Tac · « **Reply #24 on:** June 27, 2002, 01:14:25 AM »

Sure verm, put your average La7/n1k jock in his "security blanket" Fw190...

im sure he's gonna be just a killer as he in now in the MA

Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2002, 05:13:13 AM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
[BThe fact that the AH MA is capable of supporting the entire nightly player base of AH is what kills alternate arenas. J_A_B [/B]

Politely disagree.

What "kills" the alternate arenas is the simple fact that none.... none... of the choices offer anywhere near as much fast action and "fun" as the MA does.

Boys just want to have fun. (Girls too.)

Griego · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2002, 01:55:05 AM »

Actually the mass exdous of Warbird IMHO didn't start untill WarbirdIII for many reason. Not that warbirdIII is not a good sim it's just not a finished product. CPU upgrading problems new cards and such. Funny thing though i did upgrade my Video card to play warbirdsIII an it played fine on my old 600Mhz duron. AH on the other hand i had to upgrade my Processor also to get my FPS to increase to a playable framerate.

I played Warbird 2.77 when they had the Axis and Allied arena and loved it. I also seen it when it had close to 300 player in it also. Just like in AH.

I like the RPS it let you fly an early warbird with other early warbirds. and everything kinda blanced out the Axis had and Adv. early and the Allied froces had Adv. in late war. only becuase of the late modeled Larger bomber on the Allied side. If all large bombers of the Era where modeled then it might have been closer in late war.

I don't really like fighting a spit with a spit or p51 against a p47 or 190 and 109 etc etc...but that's AH and i like it here also mainly because of the strat and the #'s of course. AH is closer to a finished product than WarbirdsIII. There's good in both sim's imho.

I Also like the Perk system in AH this diminishes the ablility of player to take adv of planes like the me262 to use them all day long. All you would see are me262's flying around or atleast a lot more of them that would just get annoying.

Use the same Perk system just dont introduce them until that point in the RPS. That way if you did well and acumulated 200 points you could then fly the me262 etc.

I think the perk system would have work real well in Warbirds 2.77. you wouldnt have heard all of the squeaking that insued on Sunday [jet day] and all would have been well.

Just my 2cents worth.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2002, 03:49:56 PM »

seperate arenas don't work.... RPS's piss people off..... rolling perk set is a joke of mamoth proportions (all lopsided all the time... never fly against your peers arena).

I still see no real solution other than the "area arena". If early war planes are to have any chance.... if they deserve a chance... in any arena, then, it is an "area arena" that will show us. Early war planes need to have a chance without interferance from late war or idiotic "perk" planes but they don't deserve a chance unless there is total choice. "area arena" allows them an area and choice for them, and, for everyone.
lazs

Halo · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2002, 10:27:10 PM »

Like many of you, I went through the rolling plane set in WB and the allied-axis and wouldn't want either to be the only choice in Aces High.

I personally much prefer the no-holds-barred main arena where we have the ride of our choice 24/7 and no excuses. Certain planes I just like better than others, but I want my choice of all planes all the time.

But for those who prefer more historical matchups, could Aces High add a separate rolling plane set arena? Along with Main, CT, Training, Dueling, a Rolling Set Arena would give us the best of everything, wouldn't it?

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2002, 08:37:37 AM »

halo... an "area arena" would allow for an "anything goes 24/7" and.... still allow for a viable place in the arena for early war planes. Everyone would still be part of the "comunity" and everyone could fly any plane they liked in the arena any time they liked with more parity than we have now.
lazs