190 Roll Rate Chart (NACA) w/ Stick Forces

[RRAM]

Originally posted by Kweassa


 What I seem to notice is, wow, are the "F" wings and the "LF" wings really so much different in the Spitfire?? Clip a teeney section and the roll rate increase seems almost dramatical improvement.. impressive! Would there be a negative downside to the clipped wings??

Less wing area, so a higher wingloading and stall speed. I also think the clipping added some speed in the range of 3-4mph to the top speed of the clipped Dweebfire.

There might be another effects of the clipping but I'm not sure about them. Ask a dweebfire lover . FUnked ,for instance


P.S. All "Dweebfire" comments are strictly tongue-in-cheek. Just in case someone feels offended, it's just a joke

[Karnak]

Clipped wing Spits have a higher stall speed and larger turn radius than non clipped Spits.  Not all LF Spits were clipped, many in fact had normal Spit wings.

Glasses,

The Bf109E might have been the best turning 109, maybe the Bf109F-4, but the Bf109E was most definately not the best rolling 109.  It was in fact the worst rolling 109.  The new wings introduced in the F series improved the 109's roll performances, though not as dramatically as the metal ailerons of the Spitfire Mk V did over the cloth ailerons of the Spitfire Mk I.

In my opinion, based on what I have read, the Bf109E-4 should out roll the Spitfire Mk I and Mk II.  All other Spitfires should handily outroll any and all Bf109s.

[Glasses]

Well thanks for the replies then it is agreed there might be something odd about the roll rate of the 109E or Spit I,me thinks the latter will get the fix, AH has a history of de tuning aircraft not  adding performance.  

Frankly I found it odd since the Emil  goes from  Wet Cement to brick quickly leaving little room to maneuver at all . I  also did find even the Hurri I  having a better roll rate in low to medium airspeeds,  historically the Emil had the roll advantage and intial turn at lower airspeeds which in AH  does not.

[niklas]

Originally posted by Karnak

The Bf109E might have been the best turning 109, maybe the Bf109F-4, but the Bf109E was most definately not the best rolling 109.  It was in fact the worst rolling 109.  

Where do you want to know this from? The "45°" bank chart isnīt even for sustained rolling, thus includes also the time to move the stick. Do you have a sustained rolling chart for the E?

The rollrate chart for the E is indeed very poor, and even poorer for the spit - so poor that i canīt imagine fighter would have been accepted with such a characteristics. So it would be interesting (due to a lack of other data) how the test was done.

The ailerons of the E cover a larger area and reach up to the wingtips, basically they could be better for rolling than those of a F or G, at least at slow speeds

niklas