War on drugs

[AKSWulfe]

A glass of wine is good for the heart, but it still has to be converted to alcohol somewhere..... and filtered from your blood somewhere.

And how many people have just A glass of wine?
-SW

[Fatty]

Obviously the recreational user could not go through a pack of joints like a pack of cigarettes, but habitual users absolutely.  Take away the illegality of possession and I'd fully expect to see people working their way thru packs.  I don't even have a problem with that though, until it gets to a situation like tobacco where the users health problems become a drain on resources.  Are the enforcement costs greater than the potential health care costs likely from wider usage?

As far as jailable see previous.  I've no problem with the current status, but I'd be equally ambivalent to completely legalizing it (regulated substance, obviously).  If it were on a referendum I'd probably flip a coin to vote or completely abstain.

[Nifty]

I usually have just A beer when I have some.  And that's not too often either.

Where's Swoop?  He's living in Holland right now.  Don't they have marijuana legalized over there?  How is that working out?

[miko2d]

Why would I care how many adults in USA kill themselves every year with tobacco, alcohol and drugs or junk food? Or for that matter choose to end their germ line by not procreating which is more permanent and fundamental then mere individual death?
 In my view the nature of those people is the cause of the phenomenon (I would not even call it a problem as that may seem judgemental), so denied one way of terminating themselves they would just find another.
 As for the children affected, I do not see why I should worry about them more then their own parents.

 Legalising drugs would make my job as a parent much easier in protecting my children. Yes, the cheap pure drugs would be sold in drugstores and there would be ways for determined children to get them through adults - like they get beer now.
 At the same time my children will not be subject of constant personal attention of highly-motivated personally-interested persuasive and talented pushers backed by multi-bilion dollar industry that does not have to comply with any laws and regulations on advertising, quality etc.
 I would also be less at risk of being robbed by some drug addict in need of money to support expensive habit.
 Also most of bad guys out there in the world - guerillas, terrorists, etc. would be deprived of major source of revenue.

 Of course if steel manufacturers and steel workers can donate respectively money and votes to keep foreign steel out of the country to maintain their profits and redundant jobs, it is only natural that drug lords and millions of people working in drug enforcement and prison would donate money and votes to keep their profits and their jobs.

 miko

[AKSWulfe]

If you are curious as to what kind of drain habitual users would have on the workforce or economy... take a look at alcoholics. Are they a drain and in great numbers?

You can't compare marijuana to tobacco in terms of doing it. They simply do not compare. Comparing alcohol and marijuana is how it works. You don't get all retarded and toejam after smoking a pack of smokes.. you smoke a "pack" of joints, and you'll be so lit everyone around you will know your doped up out of your mind.

You'd get fired for being drunk on the job, why shouldn't you get fired for being blazed outta your mind on the job? EDIT: Well that's actually a companies choice to fire you for being drunk as it is right now. Alcohol isn't even on the list of substances to be tested for in the workforce. Sweet! I feel so safe knowing I can work around a bunch of drunks and there's no federal policy against it...
-SW

[2Slow]

The war on drugs has been declared for 30+ years.  No end or victory in sight.  President Bush compared the effort needed for the war on terrorism to the war on drugs.  I hope he was wrong.

We should do a Vietnam on the WOD.  Declare victory, legislate to put driving while stoned on the same level with DWI.  Provide rehab at goverment expense.  Prescribe additive drugs to the addicts.  Kill anyone bringing blackmarket drugs into the US.  Make it a capital offense to found in possesion on non-tax stamped drugs.

None of this will ever happen.  What would we do with the out of work Drug Agents?

[BUG_EAF322]

If it were to become a government regulated substance, it would become like alcohol is... drunk drivers are just as much a threat as stoned drivers who are just as much a threat as someone all doped up on pain killers or cold/flu medicine.
-SW


Noway i drive normally in my car when stoned never had any accident in 8 years

the few little accident i made when i was really sober

There is a big difference between being stoned and drunk
When ur drunk u totaly have no control over ur body no coordination at all.

When ur used to marihuana it's not a problem i can still concentrate . I wont talk crap etc. etc.

Again Alcohol is a hard drugs and marihuana a soft drugs.

Come to holland and u know better

[AKSWulfe]

BUG, I'm not arguing here...

It's true, all drugs have a negative impairment on your reaction time and coordination. You ain't exactly top dawg in the driving skills when your high. It ain't as bad as drunk, because when you're drunk you do some crazy toejam like racing and just speeding around. You're more cautious when you are high, but there's still the chance you and your car could end up in a ditch somewhere... or worse, kill someone else.
-SW

[BUG_EAF322]

No stoned i can be even more concentrated.

Stoned i got my drivers licence

Stoned i got my diploma proces technic

when i'm drunk i don't feel coordinated it's a way other feeling

especially the next day

In the army i got best shooter in darkness from the whole platoon

by a little smoking from it

It was very helpfull when i started to learn drumming and listening to music

but i smoke average 3-4 a day so i'm used to it

it's like coffee

and i will never ditch my beetle

safety is important

[AKSWulfe]

I'm not disagreeing that you can do it BUG. I would say, based on what I have done, that I can do what you do.... dunno if I could fire a high powered rifle at night at hit the target well, as I haven't done that yet... maybe in a year or two.  But driving, yeah man, that's easy as pie when your high. When you're drunk, you're weavin back n forth on the road.. just ain't no good for nobody.

But reaction time is a little slower when you are stoned as opposed to not. If you are a lil buzzed, then it ain't gonna be as bad.
-SW

[BUG_EAF322]

Ok someone who is using it only a few times a year better not drive.

[Thrawn]

When you outlaw pot.  Only outlaws will have pot.

[Hortlund]

Guys, stop comparing it to alcohol and cigarettes.

If someone invented alcohol today, it would be so totally illegal. Class A drug. Same thing with cigarettes. The ONLY reason those things are legal now is because there would be a short and brutal civil war in any country trying to outlaw them.

That is the reason why alcohol is legal and drugs arent. Alcohol is more dangerous than "soft" drugs, but that is not the point. There is no line at alcohol saying everything less dangerous than this is ok.

[Udie]

Originally posted by AKSWulfe
BUG, I'm not arguing here...

It's true, all drugs have a negative impairment on your reaction time and coordination. You ain't exactly top dawg in the driving skills when your high. It ain't as bad as drunk, because when you're drunk you do some crazy toejam like racing and just speeding around. You're more cautious when you are high, but there's still the chance you and your car could end up in a ditch somewhere... or worse, kill someone else.
-SW

 I've been pulled over for speeding 3 times in my driving life.  I was sober each time.  I've had 2 wrecks in my driving life, 2 months apart, one my fault the other not, I was sober both times.  I've run one stop sign that I can recall in my driving life,  I had drunk 4 beers at bowling and it was a stop sign that I stop at twice a day going to and from work.   I got lucky because after I realized what I had done (about 10 seconds) I made a uturn to turn on the street I had just run the stop sign on (yeah I was supposed to take a left there )  When I got back to the stop sign there was a cop there. WHEW!!!!! >< that close to a dwi that I most defenately would have deserved.  I stopped drinking at bowling after that.  I've never been pulled over or had an accident while stoned.

 Personal responsibility.........Person al responsibility.........Person al responsibility.........Person al responsibility.........Person al responsibility.........Person al responsibility.........

[Eagler]

another typical drug thread ... ZZZzzzz

grow up and get sober or is it get sober and grow up