Author Topic: Looney Left Strikes Again (Read 1338 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #30 on:** June 26, 2002, 05:12:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Daff
So, Eagler, would you accept your child having to denounce religion?.

Daff

you can't spin it around

Hangtime · « **Reply #31 on:** June 26, 2002, 05:15:18 PM »

Henh. I said the plege of allegiance every day I went to school. complete with the under god refrain.

I was rasied as a lutheran, served my nation, vote, drink and have other bad habits.

I'm a devout agnostic, registered as a democrat (will change it to republican when that becomes the minority party), i'm a rabid patriot and sentimental fool, revere my seniors who served and I read the papers, gamble infrequently, womanize when i get the right signals and watch the Daily Show, instead of Larry King.

In short, that lil recital with the onerous words refering to a deity have had no fediddlein impact on my life, did not force me to be religous or patriotic.. I am who I am because thats who I wanna be. End result..

..the pompous cuddlinghunked robe sporting liberal judge that just made her attention grabbing decision will have about as much affect on the lives of our progeny as did Eisenhowers gratouitous vote pandering proclimation of 50 years ago.

midnight Target · « **Reply #32 on:** June 26, 2002, 05:32:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

you can't spin it around

He just did!

miko2d · « **Reply #33 on:** June 26, 2002, 05:37:43 PM »

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Originally posted by hblair
I'm Christian and all for the seperation of church and state. But I'm not sure about this ruling. I didn't know that the words "under God" were added in 1954. I don't see what the harm of having those two words in there would do a non-believer.

Simple. I either have to publicly and conspiciously abstain from affirming my patriotism by reciting plege of allegiance, to treat it a meaningless ritual or to LIE by pleging allegiance to "one nation under God" which I do not believe.

Neither choice is palatable to me.

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Wlfgng, it was added to our money in the '40s... we were actually founded on the constitution.

And violent revolt against the lawfull monarch.

miko

miko2d · « **Reply #34 on:** June 26, 2002, 05:44:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
Did you read up on the atheist that press the issue because of his 2nd grade kid had to say the pledge?
what a bunch of morons.

So I am a moron for not wanting my child to profane the solemn patriotc ceremony with a LIE?

miko

Braz · « **Reply #35 on:** June 26, 2002, 05:49:01 PM »

Eagler,

Your welcome to your opinion, but don't condem and demonize others that don't share your religious views. We're already having trouble with some other fundamentalists wanting to force their dogma on others. It was the right decision for America.

A place built on Freedom, not the words of a pledge.

hblair · « **Reply #36 on:** June 26, 2002, 06:16:12 PM »

You gotta admit "under god" is as generic a term as you can come up with. And how many times a day do you lie anyway? I mean come on man. Why would your concious bother you to the point that you just cannot bring yourself to say "under god"? I'm beginning to see both sides of this arguement.

Thrawn · « **Reply #37 on:** June 26, 2002, 06:39:22 PM »

Why not follow Mohammad instead of Christ?

Why not pray to Satan instead of Jehova?

Why believe in a faith at all?

miko2d · « **Reply #38 on:** June 26, 2002, 06:55:07 PM »

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Originally posted by hblair
You gotta admit "under god" is as generic a term as you can come up with. And how many times a day do you lie anyway? I mean come on man. Why would your concious bother you to the point that you just cannot bring yourself to say "under god"? I'm beginning to see both sides of this arguement.

That is absolutely true - I can handle that. But imagine that my child turns 5 or 6 or whichever age they start reciting. He will ask me "Daddy, you are telling me that there is no evidence of God out there but my nice teacher makes me swear allegiance to "nation under God"?
So what do I tell him? "Just lie - recite the plege not meaning it". Or - that plege is just silly little patriotic thing - it does mean anything. Recite it as to not attract attention and do not worry about the whole flag, nation and allegiance business...".
Or do I explain to him how it all came to being starting with founding fathers and including Eisenhower?

You know, children are pretty literal at that age and he should be inquisitive if he takes after me. I will definitely teach him to question everything from the very young age, so there will be that question.

Eisenhower was not a fool to force that reigious propaganda on the young children - he knew that brainwashing is much more effective if it starts at early age. Couldn't wait untill the children were old enough to handle money with more religious drivel printed on them - would not work as well.

miko

OZkansas · « **Reply #39 on:** June 26, 2002, 06:59:53 PM »

We must now throw open all prisons as the inmates were conviced by laws based on the 10 commandments. That's Jewish law those 10 commandments. Christians embrace those laws too.

Yes, let us clearly demark religion and state. Surely we can write laws that aren't based on the use of the Jewish and Christian religion.

Ok, who will propose the first law?
Then we will examine it for religion and state criteria.

signed,
Judge OZ

koala · « **Reply #40 on:** June 26, 2002, 07:34:10 PM »

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Eisenhower was not a fool to force that reigious propaganda on the young children - he knew that brainwashing is much more effective if it starts at early age. Couldn't wait untill the children were old enough to handle money with more religious drivel printed on them - would not work as well.

Get a grip, for God's sake

Oops, I'm agnostic, why am I using that God word??

Daff · « **Reply #41 on:** June 26, 2002, 07:49:48 PM »

Why can't I spin it around?. Do you, as a theist, need special rights?. Or is it just because you don't want to answer?

Daff

ispar · « **Reply #42 on:** June 26, 2002, 08:57:28 PM »

BZZZZZZT! What's this I hear about laws being based off of the Ten Commandments? What dark, slimy recess did you pull that from? Certainly, many of our laws are on the same wavelength as those in the Ten Commandments, but that's simply because several of them really just amount to a universal moral code - be nice to others, don't kill, etc. etc. It's a general code by which you can be decent to others, and exists across all religions, and none.

Besides, what about the thousands of other laws we have? If the tax law and code are based off of the Ten Commandments, then... then... welll, I don't know what to say exactly, because the idea is so staggeringly wrong.

Thrawn · « **Reply #43 on:** June 26, 2002, 09:18:31 PM »

Is there US federal law that states that you must not worship a god besides the jewish god?

Is there US federal law that states that you can't take the lords name in vain?

Is there US federal law that states that you must keep the sabath day holy?

Is there US federal law that states that you must honour you mother and father.

Is there US federal law that states that you must not commit adultery.

Is there US federal law that states that you must not covet your neighbours crap?

Hmmm, that's over half which I don't believe are covered.

Sandman · « **Reply #44 on:** June 26, 2002, 09:48:07 PM »

No and no and no and...

BUT...

There are plenty of backwoods bellybutton country shrecked states in the south that have blue laws.