Author Topic: Whats the stats of a FW190-A5?  (Read 9962 times)

Offline danish

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Whats the stats of a FW190-A5?
« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2000, 01:07:00 PM »
Funked:

About once every year I get this urge to cut through all the smoke, agendas and hype around these games ;=)
Im sorry I let it out on you, cause I know that basically we agree on most ;=)

All I really want to do is to play.And maybe to dream a little.

Salute.
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"If climb was so important why is it that 51's and 47's did so well against 109s ?"

Dont be silly fd-ski, I know you can do better than that ,=)

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« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2000, 01:28:00 PM »
Danish no problem, please read what I said about your post above.  I agree with you 100%.  Well maybe 95%.  

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« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2000, 01:33:00 PM »
Sifter - you are quoting two different write ups in the same sense.

Last portion refers to comparison between Spitfire 14 and 190D9. Much different from Spit 9 and 190Ax match up.

Danish - after flying hurricanes vs 109's and spit 5 vs 190, i'll take speed over climb anyday.

Sometimes you waffels tend to forget how nice it is to be able to disengage at will.
 

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« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2000, 06:22:00 PM »
Hehe, sorry for the sarcasm funked.  Nothing personal, I assure you  

 
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Do you have a good summary of the AFDU report from which Brown always quotes? Or are you just reading a book which quotes Brown quoting the report?

AFAIK, the article written by Eric Brown, is a summary of his test results piloting the 109, 190, Spitfire and P51 over the period of the war.  It is really quite an interesting read, confirming the best/worst qualities of these aircraft and comparing them in matters such as speed, climb, dive, zoom etc etc etc.

And fd-ski, glad to see you back in this thread, even though you failed to add anything intelligent to the argument  

Any time, any place fd  

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« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2000, 06:36:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Jekyll:

And fd-ski, glad to see you back in this thread, even though you failed to add anything intelligent to the argument  

Any time, any place fd  

Jekyll

I returned sunday nigth to continue rational argument just to find that Funked already posted all the technical data, just to get all that "i know better cause i read Brown" crap from you.

Aside from spinning people up, you have no interest in actual history. You have to make up for your own ACM insecurity by demending adventages which real plane didn't have. Sad, but true.

Duels in the sky was one of my first books on the subject as well. I was fascinated by Brown's writing, but after 4 years in flight sims, i've aquired a large library of book on the sunject, and it seems to me that Mr. Brown anecdotes are at best that, anecdotes. Not techincal or scientific.

Plane A has 1000lb more weight and about same engine power and drag as plane B. It will not climb faster then plane B, no matter how much you might wish it too.

Look up Jochen's post. It takes SKILL to fly planes effectivelly, not whining. So you're on a wrong path.



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« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2000, 04:21:00 PM »
jeez... The wife beating LW sissies are even more rabid and delusional here than they are on Argos..  MW 50 on A4's LOL!   Slow, short ranged, low alt 190 "one of the best fighters of WWII" LOL! Well, I might give em that one after all..... What fighter in WWII hasn't been  named "one of the best fighters of WWII" by some book somwhere?
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« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2000, 04:52:00 PM »
Fairey Fulmar

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« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2000, 05:51:00 PM »
Photo of Fw 190A-5 just in!

 

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« Reply #98 on: May 03, 2000, 05:54:00 PM »
Yes,
Two different books same source. The comparison holds true for both the A-4/Spit9, D-9/Spit14.In different parts of the book he refers to both match ups specifically and in general as being equal as far as a choice for combat.
AS for the F8-f Bearcat:Barrett Tillman-Barrett Tillman "....He is best known for his operational histories of U.S. Navy Aircraft, but has authored four novels as well. As the first author to write 100 articles for the Tailhook Associations magazine, The Hook, he was recently awarded the group's Lifetime Acheivement Award."
Tillman: "Inevitably, some 190's fell into Allied hands, and thereby lies a tale. In 1943, Grumman test pilots flew a "short-nose" Fw 190A in England. Tremendously impressed,they returned to Long Island and related the tale to Leroy Grumman, saying, 'Boss if we put an R-2800 on that airframe, we'll have a world-beater.'
The boss listened; the engineers got busy, and the guys and gals on the shop floor began to cut metal. In August 1944, the F8F-1 Bearcat tucked its wheels into the well for the first time, proving that in aviation, as in all things, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
That same year, Douglas engineers wrestled with the prototype AD Skyraider's high-cruise harmonics problem. But they learned that the 190's forward-mounted horizontal stabilizer contributed to its smooth ride; consequently, El Segundo changed the Skyraiders empennage, solved the problem and produced one of the greatest attack aircraft in history."  The Hawker Fury? I don't have any more time to type!     Berserkr


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« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2000, 06:15:00 PM »
 That's my boy!  you tell em sifter!

.....Udie pulls his seat closer, grabs a handfull of popcorn and stuffs it in his mouth.......

a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5 a5

all shall perish from the ride I cherish  


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« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2000, 07:40:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by SIFTER:
Yes,
 The comparison holds true for both the A-4/Spit9, D-9/Spit14.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztt wrong answer.

Fw 190D9 has more in common with spitfire 14 and P51 then it does with Fw 190A4.

Just a closer look at above 20k performance shows that clearly...

Then we look at engines... armament.. range...

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« Reply #101 on: May 04, 2000, 03:15:00 AM »
Hey lazs.. you flying AH now?  I suppose the 4 cannon Hog just had to be an attraction for you  

Then again, its equally likely you got banned from AGW  

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« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2000, 05:43:00 AM »
Well, IMO, AH 190A8 is anything but an incompetent fighter. Being a dedicated 190A8 pilot I can say that you can survive with it where you surelly be dead with a Spit. Yep, 190A8 is a nothing above 20k, but bringing the combat below 15k is an easy task.
Talking about AH spit IX vs 190A8, the Spit has nothing to do against the 190, most of the combats will end with a draw or with the Spit dead. The real and only enemy for the 190A8 is just the P51D (and, perhaps, the 109G10 in some situations), not the Spit.

Talking about the real thing, ok, IMO 190A8 in AH is just a "bit" undermodeled, perhaps related just to weight/power ratio.

Anyway, when talking about real life encounters, we must not forget one important factor: the fuel load, and this data is not detailed in those encounters. A 30% fuel loaded 190A8 surelly can outturn a 100% fuel loaded P51D even using flaps.

Sometimes, in this game I get jumped by Spits  (probably 50%-75% fuel loaded) when returning to base with <20% fuel and they get outturned over'n over by my 190. Obviously that doesn't mean the 190 turns better than the Spit, this is true here and in RL.

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« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2000, 06:31:00 AM »
Oh Man, this is great!  You guys have really been going at it on this one.

Hey Udie, pass that popcorn bag over this way, will ya?


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« Reply #104 on: May 04, 2000, 09:32:00 AM »
pZZZZZZTTT,
 Your reading it wrong Fdski? It reads the F W 190A and Spit 9 are considered equals by Eric Brown.Up to 23k or so.I have a nagging wife who keeps me from writing every detail:0 Whack! sorry honey I didn't mean that.


And seperation.............
And.  The F W 190 D-9 and the Spit 14 are considered equals for combat by Captain Brown.I'm not comparing the 190's and spits with eachother. Whack! Alright honey I'm getting off right now! So to speak  
Believe me I know the 190A doesn't compare to the D-9. I know it everytime I try to chase a P-51 who is running away.
More butter with that popcorn Udie? Usher ! Usher! This man's molesting me! Berserkr