For comparison: Bearcat & Hellcat jpg (large)

[K West]

Other than the oil coolers are in the wing-fuselage edge the planes on the F8F these two planes are almost identical from the cockpit forward.  Same exhaust outlet design on both sides of the fornt fuselage after the cow and same cowl vents on the upper half of the cowl too. The fuselage is round with the cowl. Not like the 190 which has an almost triangular fuselage mating a round.
 This is just to show how the finished result doesn't look at al like the 190 because the underlying engineering isn't either.  Yet the strong Grumman family rememblance with the F6F and F4F leaves no doubt (imo anyway).




Westy

[Hristo]

Where'd ya get that 190 & Hellcat photo ?

[straffo]

hum ...

I prefer the blue one

[oboe]

Its just further evidence of the genius of Kurt Tank.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yep the F8F is indeed an Fw190 done by Grumman engineers. It sure doesnt look much different than Hellcat, just sized like FW190, just with nearly identical wingspan of FW190, just like nearly identical weight of FW190, just with nearly identical length of FW190, with nearly identical proprortions to FW190, the only significant difference is more wing area.


Im staring to love how pissed you guys are of this FW190/F8F thing, plus I also wanna remind you who got this country into space and on the moon. Germans!

[Nilsen]

The 190 is a much better plane in my opinion, but the german gunns suck ! To low muzzel velocity for my taste, or the 50 cals on american planes have a to high velocity. I have fired the 50 cals many times, and it is an excellent weapon and is prolly modelled correctly.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Im staring to love how pissed you guys are of this FW190/F8F thing

Who's pissed

plus I also wanna remind you who got this country into space and on the moon. Germans!

Was the use of German rocket research in the US space effort a point of contention? Interesting "clash of civilisations" theme you seem to have developed. How did a very specific debate over the relationship of two aircraft give birth to your general "You Americans" statements?

First it was engine placement. Then it was Post-hoc "Grumman engineers liked the  190 and then, after flying the 190 developed the F8F. Now its demensional simlilarities.

I'm convinced that flying the 190 had an impact on the Grumman Engineers. I'm convinced that they would be foolish to ignore what they had seen in that Aircraft. But I think it's going a bit far to say that the F8F is "a 190 done by Grumman Engineers."

-Sikboy

[F4UDOA]

The oil cooler in the wings trick was stolen from the F4U.

Rex Beisel invented Kurt Tank!!:p

[K West]

lol. good replies

and this "Im staring to love how pissed you guys are of this FW190/F8F thing," was the best.  I'm debatiung and discussing. Trust me when I say I'm not pissed nor getting heated at all.

  Westy


(damned Germans (especially Von Braun) stole all of Goddards theories and works! )

[Sikboy]

I would also like to point out that Grumman sounds similar to German, and that probably had further demonstrates the connection between these two planes.

-Sikboy

[Tumor]

Looks like a 190?? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hungarian scientist working in England, Leo Szilard, first theorized that enormous amounts of energy could be released by a nuclear "chain reaction"

German scientists Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, Lise Meitner, and Otto Frisch discovered nuclear fission in uranium, the heaviest natural element.

Eugene Wigner and Edward Teller, persuaded Albert Einstein, the world's most famous scientist, to write a letter to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Dated August 2, 1939, the letter said that it was conceivable that "extremely powerful bombs of a new type might be constructed.

In June 1942, the army took over the task of organizing all chain-reaction research into a full-blown bomb program, code-named the Manhattan Engineer District. Gen. Leslie R. Groves, the man who had just built the Pentagon, was in charge of the top-secret project.

Enrico Fermi, a Nobel Prize-winning emigre from Italy, presided over the first self-sustaining manmade nuclear chain reaction, which took place December 2, 1942

The Manhatten Project, at its peak, involved about 160,000 people workin on the project in more than 25 sites across the United States.


.....The Germans did it all by themselves

[Charon]

Im staring to love how pissed you guys are of this FW190/F8F thing, plus I also wanna remind you who got this country into space and on the moon. Germans!

Yeah. While Hitler's minions were busy developing the most expensive way to inaccurately lob a 2000 lb warhead at an area target, we were working on a little thing called the Manhattan project. I suppose rocketry was just a little too hard for the allies to get a handle on at the time.

Charon

TUMOR - what a comprable achievement [edited after a clear reading of your post]

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I also wanna remind you who got this country into space and on the moon. Germans!

Oh yeah, BTW..thanks for starting WW2 Europe for us also...Since you're so good at patting yourself on the back.  

What's next? Giving yourself credit for letting us win the war, also?  Don't get mad, it's a July 4 kind of flameout! Have a good / safe one, everybody!

Gainsie

[HeLLcAt]

I think the Wildcat and Hellcat look more similar but all the Cat's look alike except the Tigercat 2 engine fighter.

Look at F4F and F6F:

[JimBear]

Thanks Westy!

I needed a new wallpaper