Author Topic: For comparison: Bearcat & Hellcat jpg (large) (Read 1746 times)

K West · « **Reply #15 on:** July 01, 2002, 11:49:20 AM »

You're welcome. I have two cdroms full of imagines and pictures of WWII aricraft that I burned. Artwork as well as photos from all across the net. And from all nationalities and theatres.

And to continue the debate

Here's a comparison of 3-views side by side....

Steven · « **Reply #16 on:** July 01, 2002, 12:19:53 PM »

West, can you please label those images, I can't tell which is the real FW and which is the copy...they look so much alike!

Raly · « **Reply #17 on:** July 01, 2002, 01:08:47 PM »

The guy in the Bearcat looks really comfortable.

bigUC · « **Reply #18 on:** July 01, 2002, 01:09:27 PM »

I'm baffeled! They are identical! Kurt Tank rules! Kurt Tank designed all U.S. Navy Aircraft

He probably secretly designed the f4u before the war: If u reverse the digit it almost becomes a "k" - Ergo "For KUrt tank"

Samm · « **Reply #19 on:** July 01, 2002, 01:14:12 PM »

Looks more like a yank knockoff of the n1k2 than it does a 190 . Which one of those planes was giving the USN's f6f the most trouble anyway ?

Kwest do you have a drawing of a n1k2 for comparison ?

eddiek · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2002, 01:29:34 PM »

GRUNHEERZ:

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Im staring to love how pissed you guys are of this FW190/F8F thing, plus I also wanna remind you who got this country into space and on the moon. Germans!

Yup, Von Braun was THE leading pioneer in the rocket sciences for that era. But look what Germany did with it. If those V-2's hitting London were aimed at space and the moon, I'd say he did a piss poor job, wouldn't you?
This little debate is getting far fetched. Yes, scientists born in Germany did contribute greatly to the US space program. But notice the Germans didn't get it done for GERMANY. It took US backing to get the thing completed.
I'm just waiting for someone to point out the Wright brothers and all aircraft since then are based on their work.................

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2002, 01:51:33 PM »

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Originally posted by bigUC
I'm baffeled! They are identical! Kurt Tank rules! Kurt Tank designed all U.S. Navy Aircraft

He probably secretly designed the f4u before the war: If u reverse the digit it almost becomes a "k" - Ergo "For KUrt tank"

....wiseass...I am sitting here rolling off my chair laughinh, in my office at that picture...secretary wondering what the hell is wrong with me...LOL

It's like listening to every 60 year old redhead trying to say she looks like Racquel Welch!

,,,and yes...wayyyyyyy off topic here, screw it, its 110 in Minnesota today,

K West · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2002, 02:13:33 PM »

lol guys. Always nicer to have a good discussion when humour is tossed in

As for the N1K2? Not even close. Completely different in just about all aspects. (to save this topic from getting too "heavy" to pull up and read here's the 3-view link)

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/n1k2-j.gif

Westy

Pongo · « **Reply #23 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:22:13 PM »

The very tight cowl work in the 190 was revolutionary wasnt it...
I think that is what the US engineers were impressed with and adopted for the F8f..that and the small size. Befor the 190 I think that it was just accepted that the cowl of a radial engine had to be very drag inducing..

The guy that designed the 51 visited the Messerschmidt plant too. All he took away was a new appreciation about how tight the cowl of an inline engine could be.. compare the cowl of a 109e or F to a P40... and then the P51a.

The 190 was quite a revolutionary plane in 1940. That its charecteristics became so common does not change the origin of the concept. The F8F definatly benifited from the 190.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:24:16 PM »

Uhm they both got propellors

And radial engines

both got one seat

both have aircooled engines

both fly on wings

both are fighters

but one is superiour
and its not german

john9001 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:36:34 PM »

after flying a captured P51 the germans decided to upgrade their outdated FW190 by installing a inline eng resulting in the FW190-D9 and the 152

fdiron · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:41:55 PM »

Why in the world would the U.S. copy the FW-190? Lets be realistic here, the 190 was not spectacular in any category. It was even prone to high speed stalls. The only thing the Fw-190 and the F8F share in common is a large engine mated to a light airframe. I'm sure there is tons of evidence and data to show that the F8F was built from combat experience in the Pacific. In fact, I am going to dig some up. There is not more than a shred of evidence to prove the F8F was directly descendant from the FW-190.

Data, research, and evidence- what seperates the men from the liars.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:50:28 PM »

fdiron the FW190 was probably the best fighter in the world circa late 1942 mid 1943. Plus it had nearly perfect handling at the high combat speeds of WW2. WW2 aircombat was not AH with spit furballs on the deck.

Anyway Im sure it was a coincidence the F8F Bearcat was designed by BoB Hall just after he test flew a FW190 in england, and said if we put an R2800 in this thing. Just a coincidence they make a plane with nerary identical weight, length and wingspan to FW190 right after.

Yes just a coincidence...

Why even bother with a crowd who wouldnt accept the Spitfire wing was copied from the He70, when even the leader of Spitfire wing design team admitted it himself... Why?

K West · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:53:42 PM »

"Befor the 190 I think that it was just accepted that the cowl of a radial engine had to be very drag inducing.."

Pongo, after discarding the first design the FW used a standard NACA cowling.

Westy

Sikboy · « **Reply #29 on:** July 01, 2002, 04:01:20 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

Why even bother with a crowd who wouldnt accept the Spitfire wing was copied from the He70, when even the leader of Spitfire wing design team admitted it himself... Why? [/B]

Who, might I ask, was in that crowd? You have an amazing gift for looking at the specific and seeing the general. You would do well to pay more attention.

-Sikboy