I am not sure if I understand this correctly...

[nuchpatrick]

IMO....

1. It would be a one month option for the main arena for new people.

2. Given for the training arena..would be a must

3. Maybe a new small arena maybe 50-100 slots for just greenhorns.. This would losen some room for the MA and make the arena a bit more enjoying

[Vortex]

Originally posted by AKSWulfe
People are forever complaining about HOs... how about instead of trying to lobby to prevent people from doing it, you instead learn how to manuever around it.

Don't spout the inevitable "you can't dodge a HO", because I do it every single freaking sortie, and usually 3 or 4 times in each sortie.
-SW

I've got no problem avoiding jousts at all. That doesn't, however, negate the degree to which they trivialize the game. A thousand idjits jousting are still a thousand idjits jousting...the yawning can be heard several servers over in EQ.

[Innominate]

Who cares about the stall limiter?
Unless i read it wrong, the flight model doesnt change at all.  All the limited does is restrict the elevator's movement, so that you can't ride the stall at all.  Those who use it won't spin out as easily, but those who don't use it will be able to turn quite a lot faster.  As long as it can't be turned on/off in flight, there is no advantage to using it unless you can't fly.

[senna]

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
People are forever complaining about HOs... how about instead of trying to lobby to prevent people from doing it, you instead learn how to manuever around it.

Don't spout the inevitable "you can't dodge a HO", because I do it every single freaking sortie, and usually 3 or 4 times in each sortie.
-SW
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In my opinion the more common HOs are very easily avoided. The flite path for the two planes would be around 180 degrees to one another or hedon.

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The less common HO however is more difficult to avoid. Thats when two planes are in a turn fight either verticle or horizontal. They turn, turn near black out recover and try to gain gun angles while meeting almost everytime at the front quarter of their planes. Then POW they hit head on eventually. Thats a real legitimate HO in some cases and difficult to avoid unless one plane breaks from the turn fight which often means death as well unless he can run.

[FDutchmn]

Hmmm... Since I started this thread, I'd like to make several comments.

For the most important one, I believe that HTC is willing and is listening to input from the users of this community.  For example, I invited a comment from HTC by starting this thread and I got just that in the form of the announcement in the news section.

It is also the strategy of HTC to invite comments from users when they have a release.  For example, when the trees were initially placed on the terrain, they were so close to the runway, the auto-take off feature was negated because bombers like Lancaster could not clear the trees.  While HTC could have tested on their own, they opt to see how it turned out with the release.  It was up to us the user community to feedback such an issue.

For this reason, I cannot see why some people want to dismiss concerns as a whine and why they cannot see it as a topic of discussion.  The concept was released in the form of the webpage, and is a subject of concern.

On the subject of Stall limiter, in my opinion, I do not think we need it in the MA.  The reason is that, when I started Air Warrior, I started of course in the Newbie Arena which was even some what relax compared to the Relaxed Realism Arena.  After accumulating some points, the system takes your ammo away thereby graduating you to the main arenas.  I like this kind of idea.  

On the subject of HOs, please start another thread.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by FDutchmn


On the subject of HOs, please start another thread.

Ahh..now I understand..since you started this thread, you get to tell people what they can discuss in your thread?

[RRAM]

Originally posted by Hortlund


Ahh..now I understand..since you started this thread, you get to tell people what they can discuss in your thread?

Well hortlund, this is a common rule of politeness in public forums.Its called "Staying on topic"


I think Fdutchmann is quite right in asking for the HO discussion to be done in another thread

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by Hortlund


Ahh..now I understand..since you started this thread, you get to tell people what they can discuss in your thread?

no, it goes both ways... if you want this subject to have closer scrutiny, it should be addressed as so.  that is all.  If you want closer discussion on HO, it should be placed on another thread, so it can get the attention that it is due.   Please don't read any further than that, cuz I don't mean it the way you stated.  Please excuse me if I was misleading.

[Hortlund]

Nah, it just made me wonder that's all.

I guess I can be one of those thread hijackers, but I never though anyone felt that it was rude or inpolite.  My experience is that if a topic is interesting enough, ppl will stay on topic. Or the thread will have several mini-discussions inside it. I have always thought this was normal BB-behavior. People will talk about stuff, someone will try to be funny, someone will drift off topic. I just never thought there was anyting wrong with that.

(and behold, my entire post here is definitively off topic in this thread)

[Apar]

Maybe a stupid question but;

Who asked for a stall limiter feature?????

I can't remember reading much complaints about the current stall models, neither on people having allot of problems flying the planes.
I guess the people that do have a problem with flying the 'tough' planes, fly N1K2 (which gently tips nose down at 0 mph)

I'm confused

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by Hortlund
People will talk about stuff, someone will try to be funny, someone will drift off topic. I just never thought there was anyting wrong with that.

(and behold, my entire post here is definitively off topic in this thread)

Hortlund, hortlund, hortlund... there is nothing wrong with this.  The topic of HO is hot issue and DESERVES a thread of itself.

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by Apar
Who asked for a stall limiter feature?????

Apar, quite frankly, no one.  HTC thought that it would be a good addition to what we already have to help the newbies.  Currently, we are saying opinions on how it can be implemented.  The way I see it, HTC has an idea on how but it isn't final yet.  We are just saying how we feel about it... maybe a whine...

[straffo]

Apar I think that's it's to lower the learning curve.

Have you ever seen a newbie crash ten time in the tower just to stall at the 11th try ? (even in Zeke)

It's fun to see ... but not for him


For me it just like the little wheel we add to the children's bike :

[Apar]

I understand.

Personally I liked the steep learning curve when I switched to AH. Yes, it was a frustration sometimes (especially learning to deal with snap-rolls) but the steep learning curve is something that made AH big (IMHO) and separates it from other combat flight sims. E.g. it took me absolutely no problem to adapt to FA, EAW, etc flight models. AH was the first Combat Flight Sim which required me to practice allot.

Personally I think that using a stall limit feature will give a false impression of the planes performance limits. The sooner one is introduced to it and learns to handle the plane's limits, the better pilot he/she will become.

I have much more faith in a good training program setup in AH than adding 'easy modes' to the flight models. I put easy mode in brackets because it is disputable whether it will give an edge/or not.