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Offline AKIron

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« on: July 01, 2002, 12:33:17 PM »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&564&e=5&u=/nm/20020701/ts_nm/rights_executions_dc

Have to agree with the Judge on this. States should have the right to choose. If they don't want executions then the Feds should not be able to override.
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2002, 12:46:31 PM »
'bout time.

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2002, 06:52:02 PM »
About one of the only things I agree with Liberals is that I am against the death penalty.  'Tis cruel and unusual punishment.

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2002, 07:08:28 PM »
This doesn't mean that the states can't continue to perform executions.

It's relatively meaningless.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2002, 07:10:57 PM »
Where their murders "Unconstitutional" ?

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2002, 07:21:03 PM »
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This doesn't mean that the states can't continue to perform executions.

It's relatively meaningless.


If upheld it means there won't be executions in those states that don't allow the death penalty. While it won't affect the 38 states that do allow the death penalty it will honor the will of those states that do not. Guess it really comes down to "States Rights".
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2002, 09:35:49 PM »
Theres nothing wrong with death penalty in the case someone has taken away someones constitutional rights by cruelly murdering him, therefore murderer has refused and abandoned all his constitutional and human rights.
Therefore, without a doubt of guilt, should he be executed.

There is no sense to let someone whos purposely and cruelly murdered someone, to live in a prison for rest of his life and be burden for the tax payers nor respect his rights, that he abandoned when he knowingly took away someone elses rights by cruelly murdering someone.

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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2002, 10:11:37 PM »
I agree,anyone who murdered an innocent person should be destroyed like the animals they are.  Not being sent for a time out   for the rest of their lives in a prison cel living off the money of hardworking  Americans including the victim's family. It is unreasonable and insulting that such a monster which would commit murder would be allowed to live after he has taken a life.

They destroy animals for killing human beings and I understand that because they act on instincts, but I do not understand a human being, which has reason, taking a human life, in that case they do turn themselves into animals which need to be destroyed.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2002, 10:21:24 PM »
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Where their murders "Unconstitutional" ?


The ones implemented by state or criminal ?

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2002, 10:25:23 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
Theres nothing wrong with death penalty in the case someone has taken away someones constitutional rights by cruelly murdering him, therefore murderer has refused and abandoned all his constitutional and human rights.
Therefore, without a doubt of guilt, should he be executed.

There is no sense to let someone whos purposely and cruelly murdered someone, to live in a prison for rest of his life and be burden for the tax payers nor respect his rights, that he abandoned when he knowingly took away someone elses rights by cruelly murdering someone.


(sigh) Fishu, I could look up and site the statistics about the hundreds or thousands of convicted Death Row inmates who were ultimately cleared by the advent of DNA testing in the last few years or I could speculate on how many innocent people we've errenously executed, but what would be the point? The pro-death penalty forces are willing to accept the wrongfully executed as some sort of sick socitial "collateral damage."

Also you're dead (like the pun?) wrong about the costs of housing a convict vs. the cost of executing them and in fact it costs more to kill a Gary Gilmore or a Ted Bundy than it does to house a Charlie Manson. LOL "fiscal expediency" was a problem the Nazis had executing the Jews. I shudder when I hear it used as a reason to eliminate our own undesirables.

Your statement "without a doubt of guilt" is also errenious as to the standards to judge guilt or innocence in a criminal proceeding. The standard in America is beyond a REASONABLE doubt, not a shadow of doubt. As a matter of concience, what standard do we wish to execute people?

One hundred years from now the people of the future will look back on this era and shake their heads in amazement at how barbaric our judicial system is in the fact we execute convicted in light of our human infalibilities which disqualify us the right to sit in ultimate judgement of the taking of a human life.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2002, 10:27:12 PM »
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I agree,anyone who murdered an innocent person should be destroyed like the animals they are.  Not being sent for a time out   for the rest of their lives in a prison cel living off the money of hardworking  Americans including the victim's family. It is unreasonable and insulting that such a monster which would commit murder would be allowed to live after he has taken a life.

They destroy animals for kiling human beings and I understand that because they act on instincts, but I do not understand a human being, which has reason, taking a human life in that case they do turn themselves into animals which need to be destroyed.


Ah... but here's the rub... how do you prove beyond all doubt that you've got the right person? That's the real problem that brought this to the spotlight. The court has decided that even one person executed in error is one too many.

Hey... we have DNA evidence now. Use it. If it proves that the person did the crime, put him down.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2002, 10:27:23 PM »
I don't like the death penalty.  I'm not sure if the Govt, any Govt or group or organization should be given the right to take a life.  I mean.. I don't exactly mind the death penalty, however I'm just not sure about whether it's the right thing to do or not.  I also weigh that with my own belief that the death penalty really is an easy way out for the perpetrator.  Once a murderer has been executed... he's not being punished anymore.  I really don't think anyone cares that thier dead once thier dead, or is worried about loss of freedom etc etc.  I know of no evidence that the death penalty has ever truly been a deterrent to crime, might be... I don't know.  I'm not going to kill anyone because I think it's wrong, but if someone invades my home and threatens my wife and kids, I'll put'em six feet under and the "death penalty" will be the last thing I'm thinking about at the time.  It's a very hard thing to put into perspective
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2002, 10:30:42 PM »
"The ones implemented by state or criminal ?"

The criminal.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2002, 10:38:51 PM »
Of course it is, wouldn't be a crime if it wasn't .

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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2002, 12:44:32 AM »
Otto, Fishu, Glasses, would you guys feel the same, if as innocent people, you were up to be executed?