Author Topic: I love the new HOST/kill message text! (Read 1037 times)

Hristo · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2002, 12:37:39 AM »

and why is important to you that other see your kills ?

Saintaw · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2002, 01:04:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Hristo
and why is important to you that other see your kills ?

Well Hristo, Nath, DMF....

We're not ALL Aces like you... plebs like us like to see our name in golden writing up there...

If this has the side effect you mentioned, how/why is it bad ?

runny · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2002, 01:36:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw

If this has the side effect you mentioned, how/why is it bad ?

Imagine a boxing match where nobody throws a punch unless they're *sure* they won't get hit back...

Vortex · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2002, 08:02:30 AM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
The only thing I notice different is I don't need to type ".squelch 6" now to be able to read the text buffer

J_A_B

Heh, I still squelch it...one kill message is one too many for my tastes.

On the issue of too much text in the line, perhaps the squad info can be removed from the name entirely. For those reading the messages, I wouldn't think that info is worth while anyway.

lazs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2002, 08:08:57 AM »

seems that the large map and lack of action combined with the "landed kill" feature simply free up the buffer for more inane and insipid chat.

A semi violent chat room now.
lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2002, 09:04:37 AM »

yes, it is a welcomed addition

wtg HTC & ty

Taiaha · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2002, 09:55:50 AM »

I like it because it's a carrot rather than a stick. It doesn't force you to play in such a way that you land kills, and will certainly have no effect on people just in it for the bang bang i'm dead approach. However, at least now I don't have to hear about them!

Now, if we could just have the permanent squelch list. . .

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #22 on:** July 05, 2002, 10:22:40 AM »

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Originally posted by C_R_Caldwell
These individuals were often more worried about their k/d ratio and how it could be increased as quickly as possible. This often meant diving into melees that they had no hope of surviving but nevertheless had a good chance of taking a few of the enemas down before they themselves were brought to a fiery end.

Explain to me how the current kill buffer changes discourage one from doing this? If you're still K/D obsessed, the changes will do nothing to alter this behavior in those who don't care about seeing their names in the bright lights. It otherwise has no impact upon their K/D ratios.

Your statement also shows a distinct lack of understanding of how these things work. While it is theoretically possible to achieve a high K/D from diving suicidally into furballs, it's much easier and more productive to achieve it through conservative flying and careful picking and choosing of targets. I challenge you to find five pilots with very high K/D ratios and very high K/T as would be expected from the scenario you just described. Now find five pilots with high K/D and low K/T. Which do you think would be easier to spot?

-- Todd/Leviathn

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2002, 12:34:22 PM »

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Originally posted by C_R_Caldwell
What you say re: the bandwidth issue is valid. But AFAIC it doesn't matter one iota what HTC's motive for making the change was. If a side-effect of that decision is that people modify their in-game behaviour so that they are more protective of their virtual alter-egos, then many of us couldn't give the proverbial rat's bellybutton what HTC's prime motivation for making the change was.It certainly doesn't reward the "elite" Spit Vb TnB crowd who were perfectly happy not to land their kills because they were bagging large numbers of victories each sortie anyway, and that can only be a good thing, IMHO...

Yes, the motives here do matter. If a design decision was made in order to reduce bandwidth with a side consequence being that it encourages flying to live more, it does not "vindicate" the flying style of those who fly to live. It may reward them relatively more often, but it does not indicate that HTC prefers that flying style.

You also haven't made it entirely clear to me how simply altering the kill buffer changes the incentives for those who enjoy killing things in Spit Vs. Their K/D will not suffer any if they continue flying as they did before. Surely you must understand this.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2002, 12:40:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
Well Hristo, Nath, DMF....

We're not ALL Aces like you... plebs like us like to see our name in golden writing up there...

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Then make a macro announcing your kills or something. It's not hard to counter this. And give yourself some credit, Saintaw.

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If this has the side effect you mentioned, how/why is it bad ?

If everyone is afraid to fight for fear of possibly dying and being unable to land their kills, or if everyone refuses to engage unless they possess substantial advantages in alt, speed, or numbers, then you have hardly improved gameplay. What you have created instead is an arena full of boring, fearful pilots. Not even the cherry pickers will have cherries to pick. In addition, the behavior it creates is hardly historical, less so even than simple furballing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Hooligan · « **Reply #25 on:** July 05, 2002, 12:59:33 PM »

Would somebody at HTC please take 15 seconds and explain why you changed the kill buffer. Think of the useless arguments on the BBS it will prevent. (And BTW Leviathnn is correct as usual).

Hooligan

poopster · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2002, 01:00:56 PM »

DMF what you have described is a perfect definition of a "cherry picker"

Everyone doing it would be very boring but I don't think there's much chance in that.

Hortlund · « **Reply #27 on:** July 05, 2002, 01:12:58 PM »

If this new system makes people more careful about thieir virtual skin, it is only good and well. I have seen enough of the suicide dweebs.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #28 on:** July 05, 2002, 02:01:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
I have seen enough of the suicide dweebs.

What exactly annoys you about the way they fly or flew? I'm asking in all honesty, because I don't see the connection between people flying suicidally and diminished enjoyment for those who fly a different way.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Hortlund · « **Reply #29 on:** July 05, 2002, 02:51:52 PM »

Well, let me take one example, happened to me just an hour ago. Im landing on a medium field with 4 kills under my belt and no damage. Great. I just want some fuel and ammo and then dive back into the furrball. There is a big furball a sector away from the field, with small fights spilling over here and there. The reason Im landing on this field (which is kinda too close to the furrball) is because I dont have fuel enough to go to the next field, and there are alot of friendlies over the field.

So, anyway, soon Im refueled and Im starting to taxi to the runway. Suddenly I get a couple of check-6 calls. I look up and see a Typhoon come in a vertical dive towards me. A second later Im in the tower.

But he got his kill...never mind the fact that he was in a near vertical dive 500feet above the ground when he got me.

Come on DMF, this must have happened to you too? Doesnt it bother you one bit?