Author Topic: let's put this map thing in perspective... (Read 522 times)

lazs2 · « **on:** July 07, 2002, 09:16:07 AM »

Ak's made a map and are now being very thin skinned about any critisism of it.

first off... they act like the entire community begged em to spend countless hours on a map and then.... after they had done all this labor for free... we pounded them with venemous, ungrateful vitroholic whines.

I would simply like to mention that I never asked em to do anything. I would have been just as happy (or unhappy) if they didn't bother and we had the new release with the old maps... I would also like to point out that..... by a large margin.... the worst venom and vitriol.... comes from the defenders of the map... not the detractors.
lazs

Wotan · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2002, 09:33:08 AM »

I think I am starting to agree more and more with lazs.

I had thought, and maybe this is still the case, that folks were mostly trying the new buff model and the new planes and such that they were avoiding the pitched fights.

It doesnt seem to be changing. With the exception of the alts I like the map a lot. A big Salute to the aks who put the effort into it. My problem with the map doesnt have anything to do with the map itself. It with the nature of folks in the main. Its the same thing we have seen in the ct. Its the same thing I have seen in WB3 main. Folks follow the path of least resistance. They rather spend their time milkrunning then fighting. Which is fine they have every right to play this game and to have fun where they can find it. But for me and a lot of other folks it will get boring really fast.

The biggest attraction of AH for me over the past tours has been the gameplay. I never really cared for "strat" I like to fight. The quality and frequency of "good fights" has declined.

To demonstrate my point I have killed more m3s then any other thing in ah.

I have defended this map and asked folks to give it time. I havent seen the large number of folks in the main like I did pre 1.10. The most I have seen was 370. a week or so prior I saw nights where we hiy over 500.

As crowded as the other maps were and as much as hate mindinao I am to the point where I miss them.

S!

AKs thanks for the work.

J_A_B · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2002, 10:27:46 AM »

Agree with the two above posts 100%

One thing that might really help the AKDESERT map might be if they re-designed it somewhat, so that each country starts with ownership of one "slice" of the pie, instead of 1/3 of each one. That should have the effect of reducing the mulkrunning and would concentrate the front somewhat, while still allowing for plenty of open area.

J_A_B

Hortlund · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2002, 10:47:51 AM »

What I dont understand is why people come here to complain about the map, the kill messages, the strat system, the bomber model instead of just trying to make the best of it.

As for this map, and this version...people will do their thing.

The furballers will attract to eachother, they always do. And if you find that there are not so many big furballs around, perhaps that might indicate that not everyone likes these furballs? The strat guys will attack and defend along some frontline. The buff pilots will up from some desolate field and fly for an hour or two before they get to destroy something and return home. The gv pounders will find their battles, etc etc etc.

The point is, relax ...and play.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:10:23 AM »

Something I've noticed...

Most of the AKs have said "give it a chance" at the worst... with a few reactions when comments got really rude.

The STFU comments came from others in the community that feel most of the comments are way out of line and totally unmerrited.

Its not a matter of being thin skinned. It is a matter of growing tired of watching the same group of people continually attack virtually every aspect of the game.

My god lazs... you even had the gall to come here and say... "I found a really awesome furball... but there weren't enough of them." You've completely lost track of what it was you were trying to defend or accomplish and have just taken to slamming everything.

This post is just another in a long string of them from you lazs.

AKDejaVu

Dago · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:12:41 AM »

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What I dont understand is why people come here to complain about the map

This is a discussion board about the game. Where else should players post thier feelings about such a big change in game play??

You think we should accept and play on and not voice our opinions about something that we are not happy about? This isnt a case of looking a gift horse in the mouth, we pay MONEY to play this game and we damn well have a right to an opinion, whether you agree or not.

This is one time I am 100% in agreement with lazs2.

Dago

Ahbleza · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:15:13 AM »

The new map is awesome

It has something for everyone.

The high alt bases help bombers and hi alt fiters quickly get to their proper fighting element.

The "zones" expand the strat.

The deep valleys are a HOOT to fly in.

The size spreads the people out , helping my connection.

Ute

Vortex · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:37:01 AM »

Everything else aside, I think JAB has a good suggestion wrt a slight redesign. It would be worthwhile moving the HQ's behind the fat parts of each slice, and then assigning a slice to each country. Logically that makes a lot more sense. It would certainly give a better sense of an actual front to work, defend, and exapnd.

A big part of the problem with the current layout is that those wanting some sort of historical, strategic tie are invaribialy getting lost within the labrynth that is the country layout. There is no logical flow to it...it just has a random and haphazard feel to the layout. Not a good start for the strat community (great start for the furballers, cause that's what everyone does as a result...or milk run).

AKIron · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:45:14 AM »

We knew there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth when we started on the map. We figured that some would hate it and some would like it. We had doubts as to whether the large size would work.

When Hitech posted the first pic of the map here many were quick to judge prematurely. Once you've decided you don't like something and then squeak about it publicly it's hard to be objective after that.

After a few days of play now I have an opinion, probably biased. I like the map. It's not hard for me to find a fight, don't know why some are having trouble. There is a lot of variety in the type of fights to be had. Hard to describe but the fights seem to be more laid back and friendly. I like that, reminds me of the early years of AirWarrior.

Concerning being "thin skinned" Lazs, Hannibal comes to mind, he only ate rude people.

bozon · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:45:27 AM »

I love this desert terrain.

the only real complaint about it are the extreem hights, where we have a lot of base at 9-13k and canyons that are a few thousand feet deep.
this it a bit too much and I would like to see it scaled down.

for those who say this isn't a "real" terrain, I can only say that it is as real as p-51s fighting la7s and having a 3 sided war on an island like mindnao.
for those who have a problem with the yello color, I can't say much.

maybe a possibility for such hugh maps in the future is to make each part of the map a different type of terrain. so you'll have a desert portion, a europe-like portion and a tropical portion. I dont know if this is possible though.

Bozon

Duedel · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2002, 11:46:07 AM »

Agree with Vortex and JAB except the "Agree with the two above posts 100%" sentence of JAB

CptTrips · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2002, 12:20:11 PM »

>and are now being very thin skinned about any critisism of it.

Are you kidding me?

I think we've been extremely thick skinned about it considering some of the abusive tone of the critism.

Its not about criticism. Hooligan, Jab and others have made calm, rational criticism that are completely valid. I'm sure HTC is waying all the arguments for future requirements changes.

On the other hand, some have decided to express their opinion like complete turds.

There is a difference, though I'm quite sure you're incapable of appreciating it.

Regards,
Wab

Yeager · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2002, 01:01:17 PM »

After a few hours with the AKmap Ive decided to stop thinking and just play. Seems to work. FPS has taken a hit. That might be my big complaint.

Wonton, what you doing killing All those M3s. I havent even seen one this tour.

Hortlund · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2002, 01:06:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago

This is a discussion board about the game. Where else should players post thier feelings about such a big change in game play??

You think we should accept and play on and not voice our opinions about something that we are not happy about? This isnt a case of looking a gift horse in the mouth, we pay MONEY to play this game and we damn well have a right to an opinion, whether you agree or not.

This is one time I am 100% in agreement with lazs2.

Dago

Sure, I have no problem with someone coming in here and voicing his opinion.

I do have a problem with someone coming in here three times a day doing nothing but squeak, moan and complain though. By now it should be perfectly obvious that some people dont like the map, the strat, the kill messages and the bomber system. Fine, they are entitled to their opinion.

Now they should all really shut the he** up because everyone knows what they feel, and everyone is pretty sick and fu**ing tired of watching them wail and cry and squeak and moan over every single aspect of 1.10.

They do it here on this bb, they do it on channel 1 in the MA, they do it on channel 2 in the ma, and some of them even do it on vox.

These people really need to stfu and play the game. Their complaints have been noted, and if HT decides to change any aspect of 1.10, he will.

SunKing · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2002, 01:15:50 PM »

gotta agree with Laz on this one.