Originally posted by Badger:
I've had example after example of relatively new guys who would just play "circle jerk" with me in a Spit 9, far longer (turn rotations) than would happen in WB with the same planes.
I think I know what you mean. It just seems to me that E is far more important here than in WB. Your Zeke might outturn a Spit 9, but if he starts the stallfight from favorable position or E state, it might just not be enough. You can't expect WB magic E device to pull you out of any situation, like it was the case with WB Spits.
I have seen WB Spits doing endless turns and loops, never losing E to that critical point where they could be outturned by 190, for example.
Here even Zeke can lose E way below corner speed and find itself outturned by a P 47 (which is a damn bloody E keeper
).
WB Zeke always reminded me to X-wing games. When in doubt, pull on the stick. Here it might not always be the wisest move.
Even Fw 190A-5 with little alt can turn inside Spit V, for example, if the Spitter is too slow (it can turn inside one if the Spitter is too fast too
).
Turn radius is close, 190 dives slightly, is closer to corner speed and thus wins the angles. Like it should. This seems just as it should be.
AH FM requires more careful flying than WB FM. IMO, this flight modeling favors the BnZ planes and gangbanging (like it should), allows less furballs and 1 man armies (like it should). Otherwise nobody would bother to build P 51s or 190s, WW2 would have Fieseler Storchs furballing around.
My point earlier was that the AH turn rate formula may indeed be 100% correct, but I would prefer HT to "fudge" the math a little to cause the disparities between turn rates on planes to be more pronounced and noticeable sooner, than an absolute "bottom end" E bleed necessity which seems to happen now.
Anyway, just my thoughts are from a playability and game point of view and not from a true realism of flight sim physics position.
NOT AGAIN ! Not another endless "is my FM fudged ?" argument from WB.
Please no ! You know what would that do to a P 51, Hog or 190 ??!!
What would be next ? Limit late war BnZ planes abilities to give poor 1941 turners a chance ?
You don't want another WB Dora, do you ?
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 07-13-2000).]
