Author Topic: Oh No!!! they made it even worse! (Read 2195 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:16:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

The perk system is good, but I am not sure it is enough. On the other hand I'm not sure a rps is the best solution either, because in effect what you are doing with a rps is force people to play in a way they might not like.

I dont really know how to solve that one though. I read the perk and rps-thread, but I'm not convinced that is the way to go either. It will only be twice as frustrating for someone who cant afford the perks, and all the old sticks have enough perks to fly whatever they want anyway.

Perk/RPS thread:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=56709&referrerid=3203

What other options do we have? Another arena?

note: Lazs critisizes but NEVER comes up with a solution.

Hortlund · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:24:37 AM »

heh, no another arena is the last thing we need. We need to get more people online at the same time at the same place, not spread them out evenly in 3-4 different arenas.

Actually I think the answer is in the size of this map. I dont have any well thought out idea yet, but maybe something along the lines of enabling certain aircraft from certain fields.

As I said, I dont have a good suggestion to solve the problem, but something should be done to encourage early war rides in the MA.

Yeager · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:25:42 AM »

Lazs critisizes but NEVER comes up with a solution.
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Ive seen plenty of suggestions from the guy. Problem is his delivery pisses most people off so his ideas are lost unfortunately.

popeye · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:42:55 AM »

For some cheap thrills, look for a flashing V base, grab a canyon fighter, and jump in. Shoot a couple of M3s and they come back in fighters. Again, and again, and again.....

muckmaw · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:43:34 AM »

Sorta of a thread highjack- but not really.

I just don't understand why all planes cannot have a perk value assigned to them. I'm hashing this out as I write this, so bear with me.

If all planes had perk values, except for the weakest planes, only pilots who are careful, and skilled will have the late war birds. Now, to counter this, each tour, a pilot recieves an allowance of say 200 Perks (in addition to what he already has, plus earning perks for the usual events).

So how would this work out? Would you see more Early war birds in the arena? Sure. Who would be flying them? Those who are outta perks, or are trying to conserve perks. Will these early war birds be at the mercy of the late war aces? Probably, but your chances of mixing it up with another early war bird would increase with this system. Now, all you see is late war stuff.

What else would this system do?

Get players to try new planes they've never flown before.
Give players a goal to earn enough perks for a late war plane.
Make the game more realistic, in the sense that more people will be trying to land their kills instead of augering.

What damage may this system create?

Possibly unbalance the arena.
Cause a great deal of frustration.
May cause people to drop out of AH.

I think this system would be worth at least a trial. If it's not working, we can always go back to the old way.

Apache · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:55:49 AM »

Inconsistent?

He has consistently said "an area within an arena"

He has consistently said "separate arenas don't work".

Saying he got what he asked for in the dueling and CT arenas is erroneous.

Charon · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2002, 09:57:09 AM »

I'm going to have to take the popular route and agree with Laz here, pretty much across the board

I did find a solution though.

Last two times up as a Knight I found the Knits milkrunning/gangbaning some poorly defended bases on it's own slice of the pie or local islands. Cool. I'd just fire up The Operational Art of War or Civ3 -- but whatever floats your boat. Eventually I went to the map room and switched sides to Rooks. Lo and behold, there were a number of heavy actions going on where I had a lot of fun. If the Rooks are stale tonight, I'll look at the map and see if it might be worth switching to Bish or Knit again. Eventually, we'll have more maps and hopefull more people to fill them and I can live with this just fine. But I certainly feel Laz's pain

Now, what I hope NEVER happens is the rise of an AW Big pork, where all the sides milkrun/gangbang all the time. That did drive me out of AW after 8 years (a few month's ahead of EA's big announcment) because it was very difficult IMO to find a good fight anywhere. I don't see that happening here, because the arenas reset here and you eventually have to attack a base against resistance.

Another proactive thought. As a lone wulf type, I have to follow the currents and try to find situations/matchups I enjoy. Now, a furball orientated squad could just make it its mission to head to the nearest gangbang, perhaps with other similar-minded squads, and take matters into its own hands switching countries if needed.

Charon

AcId · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2002, 10:37:16 AM »

lemme seee.....sorry, can't quite get my knee to jerk, maybe next time but I wouldnt count on it.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2002, 10:43:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Apache
Inconsistent?

He has consistently said "an area within an arena"

He has consistently said "separate arenas don't work".

Saying he got what he asked for in the dueling and CT arenas is erroneous.

So, elaborate on the "An area within an arena", with details, and stop slamming everyone that doesn't fly his style,...is THAT too much to ask for? Sheesh!

Edit: Incidently, I am too interested in a "Furball only" type area, since my time is limited online as well! I'd just like to hear a detailed idea, without slamming someone elses style of "Fun".

2nd edit: How about a huge "Crater Lake" type plateau (no lake though) that has high mountain sides that would disallow any "strat intruders" into the area? Something like Furball Island in the other terrain, but with mountains to keep the furballs contained?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2002, 10:47:47 AM »

BANANAS !

CptTrips · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2002, 10:52:47 AM »

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2nd edit: How about a huge "Crater Lake" type plateau (no lake though) that has high mountain sides that would disallow any "strat intruders" into the area? Something like Furball Island in the other terrain, but with mountains to keep the furballs contained?

Hehehe. Hey Curly, do this look familiar?

Wab

OZkansas · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2002, 11:00:53 AM »

Would be nice to see the CT set up for furballers a couple of nights a week. No base capture allowed, no bombs allowed, only1 plane allowed, no cannon planes allowed and only early war planes allowed. And how about the guy left standing is crowned "King of the Hill". Allow the "king" to pick the next nights plane!

I bet this would empty the MA.

What....what did you say... we...we what.......Ya.....when is that?

Each week?....in the middle of the week!! Gosh! Why all the whining then?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2002, 11:09:41 AM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
Would be nice to see the CT set up for furballers a couple of nights a week. No base capture allowed, no bombs allowed, only1 plane allowed, no cannon planes allowed and only early war planes allowed. And how about the guy left standing is crowned "King of the Hill". Allow the "king" to pick the next nights plane!

I bet this would empty the MA.

What....what did you say... we...we what.......Ya.....when is that?

Each week?....in the middle of the week!! Gosh! Why all the whining then?

(Can't believe I'm saying this) In defense of Lazs, not all can attend this, and I'd like to see it when I log in whenever MY time schedule fits it...

AKIron · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2002, 11:15:10 AM »

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Originally posted by AKWabbit

Hehehe. Hey Curly, do this look familiar?

Wab

Why did we nix that idea anyhow Wabb?

dBeav · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2002, 11:16:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
OK, I'll try to be more clear. I suppose the STFU needs some explaining.......

Nothing good will come from just sitting here whining and nothing good will come from a furballer or strat-guy trying to force others to play the game the same way he wants to play it.

Bullseye!!!!!!!