Oh No!!! they made it even worse!

[NUTTZ]

I'm in the CT alot.

NUTTZ

Originally posted by Frodo
I play in the CT whenever there are enough on.Come to think of it I don't recall ever seeing any ak's in the CT.




"but what kind of immersion did you get from the quakeball MA before Frodo? "

A tad bit more than I do now,for sure.



Why not just a desert map.Why a pizza/peace symbol or whatever it is?I thought this was a WWII Sim?

Did you guys have these kind of maps in A/W?

Frodo

[fffreeze220]

Ok i cant hear all these complainings anymore.
We got a cool update and we got new map and all that happens it that people starting to complain again about this and that.
What u guys really want ? A perfect game ? Forget it u will never get a game that satisfiy at least 50%.
There will be allwayas a point some 1 can complain about.
I appreciate all the work from the Ak's on the new map. They did a really good job.
Ok, the map isnt perfect and there are for sure a lot of things we could change and i guess most of u guys have some good ideas.
But just posting this stuff here and complaining is no real sollution. As we see ( with the new and bigger map ) we all have some effect on whats next in this game or what cam maybe be changed in an new update.
Why not do some of the gyus who want to have some changes in the map, downlaod the terrain editor and make change. THen send the map to HTC or Ak's and discuss it. ?
That way u can really shjow them what ur idea is and it can maybe be realized.
This will be more effective.

So what about the new plane set ?
I can understand that some people see no sence for it, but what about CT and Scenarios ?
IMHO Scenarios are way more interesting then stupid MA banging or gettin banged.
There a re more then enough late and mid war planes in the plane set to fly and there will be for sure some more in the next patch. so why u cry that u getting not this and that plane u want ?
I want a ferrari and ?  I dont have em so far.
We have currently more planes in the plane set then any other SIM has and had ever.
I can see that there is no really space for early war planes because u just have no chance against La7 Doras. So DONT FLY EM. Or use em for little missions in undefended area or whatever.
But for scenarios it is great.

And let me say a word to the game support. IMHO it is great. We having a game where we getting updates around all three to four month. we getting patches to fix bugs and we having people in the board like skuzzy and lephturn, (i believe i forgot some more,) who care about other problems and try to help as good as they can.
And in which other game the staff have a look in the game to tell latest stuff and talk about problems ??
I am not sure but what i have seen so far in no other game this happens.

Let me say a last thing about the current map.
IMO the main problem on that is not that it is to big the main problem is that we dont have 400+ players online every time.
This map is for sure to big fior 60 players like we had 2 days ago in the morning european time but for the prime time it is great.
What we still need is a map rotation.
Before the people, who are working on the new maps are finisahed we need the old once back in the game if it still possible. Just 1 map is kinda boring isnt it ?

Dont get it wrong. This is a general statement.
Dont get it personal.

[Vortex]

Originally posted by AKIron


Wulfie, the AK's were a squad in AirWarrior at least as early as '94. I flew with them briefly, though they may have briefly used another name, boneheads, I think. Anyhow, they were a Genie squad as early as '92, maybe earlier. They were also one of the first (if not the first) squads in Red Baron on TSN. I was a WingWalker then. Not denying that you, Wabb, and DJ brought the AK's to Aces High though.

Do you remember any plane numbers of the guys flying for them then (my last, and most oft used one, was 6533)? I was active in AW in '92 and I don't recall the squad at all. Boneheads doesn't ring a bell either unfortunately. I was flying in '94 as well and I draw a blank there too. Although things moved to AoL around that time, or perhaps it was '95? I didn't stay long there, so if they first appeared then that'd be easy to miss.

Just curious as its always nice to run accross folks you knew from that era, when online sims were in their infancy.

[lazs2]

freeze... a lot of the "complaints" have suggestions for improvement in them.   A lot of guys only fly the MA.  scenarios and the CT and all that are not important to a large majority that fly the MA.   We would like the early war planes to be useful and we would like some areas that supported a lot of action.   This map tends to go further away from both those goals as it is.

there are ways to make a larger percentage of the MA denizens happy but this map is not it as it stands.
lazs

[fffreeze220]

I know what ya mean lazs. THe problem IMO is just that people should organize themself with others and prepare maybe somethig that u can show to HT or were ever creating maps. Maybe we can modifie some H2H maps to bring them in the game.

Ok maybe we need more arenas like in Aw with for example PAC ;ETO ;Early war stuff ?


and.... what i really mean with complainings is that we all now what we can expect and we all are ormally exited about that what will come in the next patch.
It is all good untill the patch release. short while after the patch is in use i see the first complainings. why not trying to have some influence about whats comin next. I mean we are paying members and for the most if us this isnt just a game it is more like a hobby. Thats what it is for me at least.
And we have a lot of people that are flying since the first day and they should have some influence or they should have at least the right to get heared maybe about what the communitiy things about the changes HTC is going to do.
Not that any 1 from HTC get me wrong this is nothing against u.
IMO maybe i am going to far to say is that some of the VETS (Ripsnort, Fester, Lazer just to say some names) should speak for us ?
Its just a guess correct if i am wrong

[Creamo]

Laz2 camp here.

This map deletes early war aircraft fun. I really enjoyed the P40 till P51's naturally were at large alt only 1 sector over, then  just auger or frustrate yourself before the inevitable. Why you would do that... Why entertain the wolves?

What I find hard to get used to is launching from a field and then realizing it's 10-15  minutes to cons. The size is a problem, but maybe just needs adjusting too? Dunno, Beta flyer here, and miss the action. I, in all optimism and a long time HTC supporter, will be surprised if I adjust FULLY to the new format. It’s still FUN.

Anyway, you should fly late war birds that can climb on this map, sustain grabbin flight ala range, or suffer complete frustration. Makes me think early plane war sets are a addition complete to a point. No one will crave them but the Scenario faithful or completely in denial fans of a particular aircraft now that the P40 useless has been modelled. We will see a lot of odd and late war fighters in subsequent releases.

Don’t hate me for seeing obvious stuff.

[lazs2]

creamo...  nothing wrong with seeing the obvious.  heck, if it wasn;t obvious I wouldn't see it.  

I don't believe that in a group of 500 players that more than about 50-60 at any one time, would enjoy early war.   I believe that the early war area should be small to reflect this.   I would like it to have canyons and close fields to show off the early war planes strengths.   I believe that most would fly in the early war area from time to time and have a blast.  The early war area would simply mean more choice to most and be a lifesaver for the early war only set.

I also feel that you can't force players to do much or they leave for a sim that is more slanted to their type of fun.   The goal is to allow everyone to enjoy what they like whild offering the most choice.   I haven't seen anything that is better than the "area arena" idea yet except..... you might be able to have several arenas with maps that you could toggle through and launch from.  Still....

The area arena seems to offer the best combination of both choice and parity while giving us the variety we need to stay.
lazs

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Vortex


Do you remember any plane numbers of the guys flying for them then (my last, and most oft used one, was 6533)? I was active in AW in '92 and I don't recall the squad at all. Boneheads doesn't ring a bell either unfortunately. I was flying in '94 as well and I draw a blank there too. Although things moved to AoL around that time, or perhaps it was '95? I didn't stay long there, so if they first appeared then that'd be easy to miss.

Just curious as its always nice to run accross folks you knew from that era, when online sims were in their infancy.

Sorry, don't remember any of the numbers and I was on for less than a month in '94, HeadHunter was the CO at the time. However, at least 2 of us did Airwarrior before that. Me and AKWabbit, though neither of us were AK's then. I was a FUBAR '90-'91 and it seems my id was 1253, not sure though.

[eskimo2]

Early war planes are great for base defense.  

Try it, you'll like it!

eskimo

[Rude]

Lazs...

I'll bet ya a Coke Classic at the con, that HT will make it all better. Why would they build the early war rides without a plan to use them?

I believe HTC is merely building the infrastructure necessary for them to complete a vision which they have had in place for some time now.

Patience....in the meantime, we all must bear our crosses. Myself, being the opportunistic sky accountant that I am, have had struggles at times finding good furtile ground. Inspite of that, I've still managed to get my $15.00/month's worth of fun outta this crazy, way out thing called Aces High...hang in there!

[Creamo]

Can I get a P38 or a Chog while you up Eskimo in your "great defence fighters"?????

Please, I'll chop your fool wagons into HTC confetti bomb's till I have to run away and git more ammo, uncatchable, 45 minutes back to base.


I'd take seeing a few defenders, but slow, impossible outclassed drones piloted by AH HTC zealots would be really sweet.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by Creamo
Can I get a P38 or a Chog while you up Eskimo in your "great defence fighters"?????

Please, I'll chop your fool wagons into HTC confetti bomb's till I have to run away and git more ammo, uncatchable, 45 minutes back to base.


I'd take seeing a few defenders, but slow, impossible outclassed drones piloted by AH HTC zealots would be really sweet.

LOL Creamo, sometimes I really don't know what you are trying to say?  Just read that 3 times...  don't have much more than a clue.

Anyway, get an early twisty plane up before the enemy de-acks the field and you can frustrate the hell out of many attackers.  
Since as a defender, you are low and out numbered, all you can do is out-turn and evade them.  Make em burn their E and play the twisty game.  Avoid classic six shots, his wingman will get you before you get him, go for HOs and deflection snap-shots.  The early planes play this role much better than the late war rides, IMO.  

It's a bordom free blast!

eskimo

[lazs2]

eskimo... I think what creamo is saying is that he (we) love to see some dufus up in an early war plane so that he/we can vultch the snot out of the guy with no fear of him doing anything to hurt us.  early war planes are meat in this arena.   they do slightly better in some situations than others but they are the worst choice of plane in any situation.   They can be ignored and B&Zed at will and they have no recourse.
lazs

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by lazs2
eskimo... I think what creamo is saying is that he (we) love to see some dufus up in an early war plane so that he/we can vultch the snot out of the guy with no fear of him doing anything to hurt us.  early war planes are meat in this arena.   they do slightly better in some situations than others but they are the worst choice of plane in any situation.   They can be ignored and B&Zed at will and they have no recourse.
lazs

Are you talking about when you do base attack?  When you attack a base, you can't ignore anything.  Anything with guns can kill a goon (and eventually kill you), spoil a capture, and must be delt with.

When you B+Z an early war twisty plane, he can very quickly turn and face you.  This gives him a HO shot, or at least a deflection shot if you decide not to honor the HO.  This is what makes the early planes so dangerous as base defenders.  Many late war rides take too long to build up energy to be any good for defense.  An A6M can up, turn 90 degrees and point straight up before a P-47 can get up and off the stall horn.

As an attacker, I especially fear the Hurri-IIC (HOicane).  That dang thing is practically a flying turret with 4 Hispanos.  Much better for base defense than even the almighty C-Hog.
I've been flying the A6M5 (not all that early, but slow and twisty) and the 109F.  Both are great planes for evasive turns and can quickly turn an enemies vulch shot into a "Oh crap, he's gonna HO me!" situation.

The Hog-One that you fly is kind of in it's own league for early planes, relatively fast but not so good at out-turning all of a mixed bag of enemy.  F4F may be a better defender if you like the blue kind, but I've yet to try it out.

eskimo

[ccvi]

Originally posted by lazs2
can't we have some close fields or, better yet, a little corner where only early war planes are allowed to take off and a barren zone above that of 4 sectors or so...

There's such a corner, somewhere, press quit, then dueling arean, look at northeastern corner...

If it's just about furballing, why not furball there?