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Offline Westy

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2000, 09:39:00 AM »
 Changing from 4 to 3 to 2 countries won't change the nature of the beast and that is for one side to get gang banged no matter what - or the perception there of.
 In a two country deal you *WILL* get one side ganging on the other. Guaran-fuggin-teed
 Hey. Why not ONE country? A REAL free - for all.  Where it's one-on-one and the only friendly is yourself or the squad you're in??
 Only then will you be rid of the root cause of the gang banging. Well, until about a week goes by and it's everyone versus the JG2  

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Offline Swoop

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2000, 10:35:00 AM »
Q:  What is so bloody wrong with realism?
(Once each country's aircraft are available)

Like, German flying 109s.....RAF flying spits.....whatever.  Allied v Axis?

I mean it's a fun game and all.....but I wanna fly Lancs v german fighters....not F bloody 4s......

Yeah ok, can't be done yet cos of lack of craft for each side.....but eventually?

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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2000, 10:42:00 AM »
"Dago - you are definitely an anti-(2 country) person. Everytime someone mentions it you start calling them a whiner."

HaHa, you are definitely a whiner and either mistaken or a liar, as I dont recall ever weighing in on this issue and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

"Furthermore since you don't understand math, a 2 sided battle is NOT, I repeat NOT more susceptible to unbalanced fights."

Again, my opinion stands. What would happen if the game changed to two sides, and all rooks and bishops joined up on one side?  I guess it wouldnt be unbalanced?  Sheesh. The balance sways alot in online multiteam games, depending on day of the week, time of the day etc. You can bet it would unbalanced often. With 3 countries at least we have a choice who to fight, we are not forced to fight the same guys, the same "other country" for the same fields every time we play.


"Whine or not whine that is the question.. fact is there are some clear and OBVIOUS points why 2 countries is better:

1) LESS CONFUSION - you know who your enemy is.. there is a single unified front (possibly jagged )"

I know very well who my enemy is, they are indicated in RED.  Check it out sometimes, you will find enemy normally are red, no confusion there.

"2) MORE/LARGER BATTLES - more people to kill along a single front (albeit larger), chance for larger furballs much higher"

So, we should just make this a one big furball game?  You ever try DOA?  One big furball is boring after awhile.  It eliminates strategy, the option of playing the Lone Wolf stalking his prey and some really great one on one fights.

"3) REALISM - obviously, which = fun as well"

Wont argue with you that in real life fights where 2 sided.  I dont necessarily agree that it would mean more fun.  It hasnt been proven.

"4) GANGBANGING - as per my original post"

It happens, and it doesnt last forever. Learn to live with it, it will go in cycles and is
the nature of the beast in this game.

"5) LOYALTY/REASON TO PLAY - you feel a desire to see your team beat the other guys, rather than uh.. lets beat the knights, no lets beat the rooks .. sigh ;("

I play for a few reasons, and I suspect most do for the same.  I like to compete against others in a dynamic situtation, I enjoy the friends I have made and I like airplane games.  It has nothing whatsoever, zero, to do with who I am fighting.  As a rule I dont even pay any attention to what side I am fighting against in AH, I look where rooks and I jump in.

"Reasons to keep 3 country:

1) SERVER LOAD - bigger furballs = more lag"

See your reason #2 above, you seem to contradict yourself here.

"2) QUAKE'ism - 3 countries adds more confusion but more "frantic" battles"

Sorry you get confused, it isnt a problem for most of us, we know where we are and what we are doing.  Any battle is normally frantic. You are working hard to survive and kill the enemy, with outside influences playing a part (terrain avoidance, airframe stresses, other enemy in immediate vicinity).

"It's beating a dead horse.. but it has to be said."

No it doesnt.

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2000, 11:10:00 AM »
Been lovin it the last few days. I log on to get into dogfights and tank battles, dont have to go far latly
I must admit that I got a little pissed last night after climbing the hill to a11 for 45 min. just as I was cresting two reck f4us came in and blasted me, but after throwing things around in my office for 10 minutes or so I was back online my good old happy go killing self

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2000, 11:17:00 AM »
While I would agree with Dago that there is nothing about a 2 country setup that would intristicly stop gang banging. The 2 country setup would allow you to detect a gangbang very easialy and if you wanted to do something imaginative(like intorduce some of the Uberplanes) for the underdog to counter ballance you could...right know it is hard to detect(progromatically) easy to deny and creats far to much negative feelings that add nothing to the game.

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Offline Staga

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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2000, 01:28:00 PM »
I can live with this 3 country map...
What I would like to know is how we could force all three countries to fight each other ?

Any suggestions ?

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2000, 01:47:00 PM »
Good question Staga,

I have seen one method to this by some who will change colors, and start a fight between the 2 countrys attacking the other one.  This usually works, but with the time limit on changing sides in AH it would be a problem. Lets keep thinking about the issue and maybe we can find a good solution.
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2000, 01:48:00 PM »
Hi all,

I can not say any bad word to the guys who gangband. Any game has the winning strategy, and in MA the ONLY winning strategy is to gangband. So it does not hurt when you think about it: if you lose, you lose not due to the worse pilots or worse cooperation, you lose due to odds. For same reason there is nothing to be pride anymore if you reset map -- it is not your skills, it is odds.

BTW, we had a time, when though at map it were 3 countires, it were enough pilots only for 2 countries, so normally nits did not had any fighters, and it was rooks/bishs fights over the map. Anyone complained about 2 counties? Anyone who played then can say it was not interesting? Though it was normally more rooks, and they had better pilots, It was normally 1.5:1, 2:1 at most. Now I often see two countries has 3:1, even 4:1 against gangbanded country.

I just hope one day we will have enough pilots to fill many arenas, and beta editor will be available, and it will be available arenas with 2, 3, 4 countries. Then it will be clear what is better, people will play in the arena they like.

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2000, 02:13:00 PM »
 
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2000, 03:23:00 PM »
Im with Fatty and Cit here, its been a blast. More targets to choose from and quick action. Haha if its getting to tough for ya use the Caveman strat. "when the going gets tough, leave". lol

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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2000, 07:31:00 PM »
Will is assimilating nicely.

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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2000, 08:03:00 PM »
No! That is is from Visa, and I stole it to use on my kids...

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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2000, 10:03:00 PM »
3 countrys is crap in my mind , who ever fought a 3 side war without 2 gagin the other ( ww2 for instance ) its just beggin for it.

well the designers seem to mostly fly bish so the brown nose factor gave bish numbers for a long time so  yall ganged knit and rook to you little black harts content.

 a couple of squads went from one rook to  knit and exclusively hit bish and now your up toejam creek without a paddle go ahead squeak i would. but you did it to your self

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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2000, 12:17:00 AM »
 The whole point of a squad is to gang bang (er, clear each others 6). If your not in one you need to join one ASP. You get to feeling naked out there without one. Belive me I know. Squads are the reason they cant assigne people, to the side that is short handed, as they log on. They are the backbone of a sim and will always be with us. There are guys in that other sim that hate it, but stay there because they are in a squad.

 Just learn to fight more than one guy at a time then you will enjoy it. and fly the biggest guns you can find. 190 is nice for this. F4U 1c dont turn as well, but it has the best guns in the game.

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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2000, 12:24:00 AM »
Yea baby I was gettign creamed at A5 Not sure if it was rooks or Nits.  Dont want to think about it had bad memory.  Fatty was there when i was getting my butt whipped.    LOL I didnt mind.  I like to get some quick action.  Boy was it fun.  Dont make it habit (u know who i am talking about).  Just put me to sleep 1st when u gang up on me than it wont give mme a bad memory when I get to grow up.

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