Author Topic: USA: interesting view from a Brit (Read 1445 times)

leonid · « **on:** July 13, 2002, 01:05:39 PM »

From the BBC.

funkedup · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2002, 01:20:37 PM »

Farewell and good riddance to Mr. Sackur. He just Does Not Get It.

Mathman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2002, 01:57:06 PM »

The US is wrong again.

Oh well, like I give a crap.

Thrawn · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:11:49 PM »

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Farewell and good riddance to Mr. Sackur. He just Does Not Get It.

Yes he does.

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The US is wrong again.

Oh well, like I give a crap.

Exactly.

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:22:33 PM »

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Yes he does.

No he doesn't. The major theme of the article is that individual Americans are kind and generous but they do not subscribe wholeheartedly to socialism and that this is wrong. What he doesn't get is that while the idiots in Washington continually try to force-feed us socialism, the vast majority of Americans are not comfortable with it, and when push comes to shove, they will not support the conversion of the USA into a Euro-compliant socialist utopia. He doesn't belong here and I'm glad he's leaving. Like minded individuals feel free to follow his example.

Kieran · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:30:03 PM »

Anyway, I like the three "r's" in terrror.

Thrawn-

Every so often, our country votes on leaders, and every so often one of those leaders tries to push a socialistic agenda. What usually follows is that person is replaced with someone a little less so inclined. Seems clear to me the country is operating democratically.

Thrawn · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:42:16 PM »

To paraphase a point of his I agree with.

Rest of the world: Hey US, do you want to help us reduce greenhouse emittions, get rid of land mines and set up a permanent world court, kind of like the one you help set up a Nurenburg?

US: Go diddly yourselves.

Rest of the world: Gosh!

Sept. 11

US: You better help US find these terroists or you're diddlyed.

Rest of the world: Gosh, Okay buddy.

How long do you think these states of affairs will last.

PS: I particularly like my use of emoticons in this post.

Kieran · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:56:47 PM »

Thrawn-

No disagreement there. If it is ok for America to defend itself from terrorist attacks, it should be ok for Israel. If America wants world support for its war, it should be ready to support causes of other nations, too. Of course that is way oversimplifying the issues, but in general there is a fundamental fairness about that viewpoint.

Fishu · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:57:10 PM »

Thats not particularly bad article, it represents alot of 'foreigners' thoughts about US.

funkedup · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2002, 03:05:08 PM »

I can't really argue with the court or the land mine issue but the Kyoto treaty would be a huge mistake. The cure would be worse than the disease. And there's not conclusive proof that the cure will work.

We have made great strides in the US in reducing pollution in a cost effective manner, and I think we should continue to work in that direction. A good example is automotive emissions, where the US (particularly California) pioneered many technical regulations which have been copied by many countries, particularly those in Europe.

Kieran · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2002, 03:09:00 PM »

I think the mistake is coming to America thinking it should be like what you left. It isn't. It may be better, it may be worse, but in all likelihood it is just different. There is no "one America" or "one American". The place is too big and too diverse. That article written from the viewpoint of experience from living here is somewhat valid, but it still will miss much of what America is.

I have never met a Brit that liked our politics. No surprise.

I have never met a Canadian that liked our politics. No surprise.

I have never met a Finn that liked our politics. No surprise.

I have never met a German that liked our politics. No surprise.

I have never met a Frenchman that liked....

Thrawn · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2002, 03:27:25 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
I can't really argue with the court or the land mine issue but the Kyoto treaty would be a huge mistake. The cure would be worse than the disease. And there's not conclusive proof that the cure will work.

We have made great strides in the US in reducing pollution in a cost effective manner, and I think we should continue to work in that direction. A good example is automotive emissions, where the US (particularly California) pioneered many technical regulations which have been copied by many countries, particularly those in Europe.

I don't know. I think the disease is pretty fricken bad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A30706-2001Jan22¬Found=true

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51658

Edit: We got caught in edits. Yes the US has made great advances in emission controls. I just don't think it's enough. And for the record, my country went into Kyoto kicking and screaming, and it still whines.

Eagler · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:09:12 PM »

yeah, they can't stand us til they need us

America should take of herself and her allies, period.

And we should choose our allies much more carefully than we have chosen them in the past ....

Eagler · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:12:43 PM »

we got what we wanted in the "world" court.

In a year we'll get it again

As for landmines, I say whoever planted them, go pick them up... why should the US be responsible, oh yeah - cause we are the babysitter & big protective brother for the rest of the world.

Fatty · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:18:07 PM »

Amusing is that most of the 'lacks' are what causes the positives. Ah well, it's different. I don't look down upon him and his failed structures as he does mine. Perhaps in time he will grow to accept differences among cultures and become more tolerant