Author Topic: USA: interesting view from a Brit (Read 960 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:49:12 PM »

Thrawn yes I have read the litany of dire predictions. They still can not prove that it's caused by human activity, nor can they prove that anything in the Kyoto treaty will prevent it from happening.

And even if you believe the projections that Kyoto is based on, it's still not clear that the costs of compliance with the treaty are less than the costs of noncompliance.

funkedup · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:53:42 PM »

Bjorn Lomborg has a book on this topic but this interview sums up his analysis of Kyoto:
http://www.newsweekly.com.au/articles/2001dec01_lomborg.html
He's a college professor and ex-Greenpeacer who was appointed by the Danish government (those noted right-wing ecopirate robber barons

) to head their environmental assessment agency.

Boroda · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2002, 05:11:42 PM »

If I didn't read the credits for that article - I'd be 100% sure it was written by Melor Sturua, Izvestia (USSR Supreme Council newspaper) correspondent in US during mid 60s - early 80s...

After 10 years of euphoria Russians and other nations from former USSR finaly realised that he could be right... It happened in spring, 1999, when the "land of freedom and democracy" showed it's agressive nature.

Anyway, I'll call that article pure propaganda. The question is who needs such propaganda and what is the real purpose of it? When you hear roadkill in the media (including HR activists hallucinations) - always think what's behind it and what troubles it can bring to you. Old Soviet habbit.

BTW, I think this guy wrote angry articles against evil Russian army killing poor Chechens. Noone gives a flying f#$k about Russians killed by terrorist bombs, but any amazinhunk complains about "unnessesary violence" in Chechnya...

funkedup · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2002, 06:12:34 PM »

LOL and here comes Lil' Slobodan out of left field to put yet another spin on it.

Boroda · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:22:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
LOL and here comes Lil' Slobodan out of left field to put yet another spin on it.

Is it adressed to me?

Sorry, sometimes i don't understrand what is supposed to be humor, as i can guess by the emoticons...

funkedup · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:29:34 PM »

Boroda, I assumed your reference to 1999 meant the NATO actions against Milosevic' regime. You seemed to be saying these actions showed an agressive nature and were against "freedom and democracy." A person who would say such a thing would have to be either severely misinformed or else a supporter of the butcher Milosevic. In the spirit of our usual extremist debate I assumed the former.

PS The bombing starts in five minutes.

Thrawn · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:29:36 PM »

funked, thanks for link to the interview with Bjorn Lomborg. It was interesting.

I would dispute his basic premise of 2 to 3 degree increase in temperature. And as such, I find most of the rest of the his numbers to be suspect.

From my link above.

"The report, approved unanimously at a U.N. conference in Shanghai and described as the most comprehensive study on the subject to date, says that Earth's average temperature could rise by as much as 10.4 degrees over the next 100 years -- the most rapid change in 10 millennia and more than 60 percent higher than the same group predicted less than six years ago."

The name of the organization that compiled the report is, the UN affilated, Intergovemental Panel on Climate Change.

Here is their web site: http://www.ipcc.ch/

funkedup · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:32:47 PM »

Yep Thrawn if it's 10 degrees then I'm sure Lomborg would have to redo his analysis. But I don't consider the UN to be an absolute authority on anything, and definitely not science. There are a lot of different projections out there.

Thrawn · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:43:34 PM »

Yes, there are. I'm not fanatically dedicate to anyone prodiction and I'm taking a wait and see attitude for the next four years or so. I do what I can to reduce green gas emissions. If things happen the way I think they will then I'll start planning. If not, then great, one less thing to worry about.

funkedup · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:45:49 PM »

Well I promise to stop eating Taco Bell bean burritos. That should drop that estimate by 3-4 degrees.

Boroda · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2002, 07:53:31 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
I figured by 1999 you were referring to the NATO actions against Milosevic' regime. You seem to be saying these actions showed an agressive nature and were against "freedom and democracy." A person who would say such a thing could only be a supporter of the butcher Milosevic.

Funked, "democracy" isn't an absolute value. And "democracy" supported by bombs blowing up schools and hospitals is what we have to avoid at all costs. And NATO really was supporting "freedom", freedom to kill for Moslim gangsters and freedom for Albanian drug dealers in Europe.

The "butchers" were the Moslim terrorists from KLA and NATO pilots bombing a free and happy country "to stone age".

Go find Miloshevich's speach in the "international court". If you can

The "trial" have turned into a farce that reminds of a Dimitrov's process in nazi Germany back in the 30s. The only difference is that Dimitrov was allowed to speak in public, while Miloshevich doesn't get any attention from the media. AFAIR the EC officials don't allow any media coverage since they discovered he "beats them in ideological warfare". Well done, truth is always dangerous.

Now - back to the topic

My point was that since NATO bombings of Yugoslavia an average Russian doesn't think that US is our "friend", as it was for about 10 years before that. Your government is absolutely nuts, and you have to admit it. That's what Melor Sturua was writing about. Good people, crazy authorities....

funkedup · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2002, 08:10:55 PM »

OK I don't disagree greatly with that, and sorry for calling you Slobodan.

Tumor · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2002, 12:27:21 AM »

pffft!

JB73 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2002, 12:36:20 AM »

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To paraphase a point of his I agree with. Rest of the world: Hey US, do you want to help us reduce greenhouse emittions, get rid of land mines and set up a permanent world court, kind of like the one you help set up a Nurenburg?

US: Go f@#$ yourselves.

Rest of the world: Gosh!

Sept. 11

US: You better help US find these terroists or you're diddlyed.

Rest of the world: Gosh, Okay buddy.

How long do you think these states of affairs will last.

PS: I particularly like my use of emoticons in this post.

f@$# u thrawn..
and yas i edited your cuss out of the quote too...
did the US drop all the landmines that are ruining the world?
is the US the only source of polution in the world?
is the US the policeman of the globe? (wait don't answer that.. i forgot most.. pinko liberals pushed us into that role
'cause it was the right thing to do[/I]

who has the US asked for help in on the problem of illiteracy?
who has the US asked for help in on the problem of poverty?
who has the US asked for help in on the problem of.. any other homeland issue? (other than the war on terrorism)
you can keep all your socialist thoughts and propoganda and shove them u know where.

you want help from the US in any matter.. what are you gonna give us for our time, money and personal?
i'd rather see 1000 soldiers die for a cause that DIRECTLY affects us.. than 1 die for a pathetic charity cause.
since the begining of civilized society it has all been about free trade. you want something... what do you have to give for it?
IMO if we ask the other countries of this planet for help combating a virus/scourge of the world it is repayment for all that we have given to this planet.

Toad · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2002, 01:01:58 AM »

Funny thread!

Got a lot of good laughs out of it after a rather poor day. Keep up the good work.