Author Topic: Friendly Israel (Read 1274 times)

fd ski · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2002, 06:02:14 PM »

source: pravda.ru
Not that i mind, i just think it's funny for funk to post it

Next thing you know, him and boroda will be best pals

As for the attack itself, let's see some of those "our best ally in the world" stuff.

NUKE · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2002, 06:37:26 PM »

Old news to me, and has been very debated .

Hortlund · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2002, 06:40:54 PM »

Yeah Israel deliberately destroyed a US ship because...uh...eh...

yeah...

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2002, 06:42:12 PM »

Actually Fd I would love to share a bottle with Boroda some time.

Pongo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2002, 08:33:56 PM »

Dont spy on people that have their very existance threatend..they get nasty. especially when they are about to launch a preemptive strike.
Did pravda say anything about the lasers that their spy trawlers blinded canadian patrol plane pilots with in the 90s?

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2002, 09:10:57 PM »

That seems pretty much like it. The Badguy here appears to be the US not Israel. Israel has a Foriegn Intelligence ship without authority in close proximity. Unarmed or not is irrelevant.
The US has a lot of explaining to do but not sure why its a suprise. The Common man soldier, Sailor or Airmen despite how important they think they are are assets and sacrificed at the will of any government. These boys got caught up in the hoo haa. What were they doing there in the first place? Obviously not supplying Israel with Intell.

fd ski · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2002, 09:30:39 PM »

which part of "international waters" don't you people understand ?

There is a good reason why Liberty was attacked, and it prabably has more to do with the fact that it could PROVE an aggression by Isreal, as opposed to the defensive story they were selling.

Also, seeing as Isreal army is more or less FUNDED by MY TAX DOLLARS, i find it somewhat silly to have blamed pointed at my service.

fd-ski
AK3
USN 4 years.
VS 31 Topcats
CVN 73 USS George Washington

Too bad that dumb toejams didn't try the same thing on my ship.

Samm · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2002, 09:45:17 PM »

I thought we put this babe to bed allready, this was brought up in another thread. I'll cut and paste my replies here .

I wonder why the isrealis came to the ship's aid as soon as they stopped attacking it . What was their motive in attacking it in the first place ?

I've never bought that conspiracy theory.
Isreal is being beseiged on all sides in the full scale war in 1967 and in the midst of this they deliberately go to war with their greatest and most powerfull ally ?

That would be like the Phillipines knowingly and willfully attacking the US in WWII .

I'm sorry but it just doesn't add up .

Soviet union was well entrenched in that war, they had migs painted with egyptian markings, SAM batteries etc., we all know the history . So you can imagine the alarm of the isrealis when the fighter pilots ID'd the boat as soviet .
Here is a link that offers a better insight into that day .

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/ussliberty.html

There is ample reason to believe it was a mistake:

1:NO MOTIVE

2: Reported as a soviet vessel possibly flying another countries flag.(not unheard of)

3:Most obvious, they stopped attacking the vessel .

4: When they stopped attacking they came to the ship's aid, even the sailor in that link you posted attests to this .

5: They were at the time being shelled by an egyptian ship, do you think that they thought they were being shelled by a horse transport ?

7: Would a horse transport be able to return fire like the US Liberty did ?

6: If they did ID it as a horse transport would they attack it ? No. So 5, 6 and 7 invalidate the story of Isreal allegedly claiming that it was a horse transport.

I could come up with many more reasons why Isreal wouldn't want to go to war with it's greatest and most powerfull ally while at war with it's neighbors, but I'm not the accusser so I don't bear the burden of proof .

So in this ample proof you speak of surely you have proof of motive aside from "horse toejam". Lets hear it .

Gunthr · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2002, 11:54:41 PM »

I'm not a staunch Israel supporter, but I can understand how something like this could happen. I'm more concerned about drawing any conclusions from something that happened over 30 years ago.

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2002, 12:36:00 AM »

[QUOTEToo bad that dumb toejams didn't try the same thing on my ship. [/QUOTE]

Yes. I agree

leonid · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2002, 03:13:35 AM »

If the Israelis start buzzing a ship from 0530-1400 hrs, wouldn't it make sense that their pilots would've ID'ed the vessel as USN? That's a hell of a lot of time to even pull out the books and make a positive ID from recon photos. And, if the Israelis had suspected anything why not radio the ship on normal channels and request confirmation? It just doesn't add up.

Btw, Funkedup, Boroda is a great drinking buddy

When we tossed vodka from 2000-0800hrs with a few of the boys from 25IAP and Flying Barans, he kept saying, "Now, leonid, you don't have to drink anymore if you don't want to. You're the man. It's up to you." Needless to say, I never declined - and I paid for it the next day. The good news was that Russians chase their vodka not with beer, but food. Every shot was immediately followed by either a slice of pickle or bread and raw meat or onions or pel'meni(won tons) or smoked herring. It works too, honest to god. Bad news is that drinking a 1/2 liter of vodka over 12 hours is not going to 'just go away'. Boroda warned me that night that "tomorrow, you'll not be quite dead, but you won't be quite alive too." No headaches, no nausea, but, yes, not quite alive

But, I swear, Funkedup, you visit Moscow, those guys will make you feel like family. No joke

funkedup · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2002, 03:27:46 AM »

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Too bad that dumb toejams didn't try the same thing on my ship.

Amen Boss!!!

Leo that sounds like fun. Some crazy Poles have taught me about the food and vodka trick.

Hortlund · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2002, 03:35:07 AM »

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Originally posted by leonid
And, if the Israelis had suspected anything why not radio the ship on normal channels and request confirmation?

Israeli Pilot: "To unidentified ship: are you a Russian Spy vessel?"

Unknown vessel: "No This is not the ship you are looking for."

Israeli Pilot: "To base: This is not the ship I am looking for."

CH3 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2002, 05:34:32 AM »

Always hilarious watching the Israel cheerleaders squirm when they try and explain this one. Hortlund, sounds like you've really spent some time looking at the evidence.