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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2002, 11:23:00 AM »
i hate people in gv who ditch couse they know there diddlyed when that happens to me i tell the person finish me off! iam tired off looking at my smoking self!:(

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2002, 11:49:21 AM »
I've got a solution to dealing with HO dweebs.  More often than not their left wing comes off.  Bad fasteners, I suspect.

I generally don't go for the HO, but if someone wants to play chicken the best answer is to get good at it, not to gripe about it.

My latest ride (the F4U) isn't quite as good at it as my trusty P38, but it works nicely just the same.
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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2002, 12:02:32 PM »
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I generally don't go for the HO, but if someone wants to play chicken the best answer is to get good at it, not to gripe about it.


Yup, I agree...I will get good at it.  

Now if we could all let this thread die, I would appreciate it...I feel all "icky".

Clearly I have been STUPID up to now.  Despite the fact that I have managed to live 37 years, garner not only a high school diploma but also a University degree and two professional designations if Toad thinks I am stupid for not taking an HO shot and instead prefer to have a good fun fight it must be true.  Hangtime also appears to think I am gay.  All for giving my opinion on pilots that I admire...

Wait...is this WW2Online BBS or AH?
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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2002, 12:10:04 PM »
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Clearly I have been STUPID up to now.  Despite the fact that I have managed to live 37 years, garner not only a high school diploma but also a University degree and two professional designations


See, THAT is where you went wrong.  I'm 40 and STILL paying for all those years of engineering school, and I sure don't feel any smarter than I was when I got out of the Navy at 24.

For that matter, at 16 I knew everything.  I know less and less the older I get.  By the time you're my age you won't even shoot at someone after you've saddled up on their six.

I've never been in that situation, so I'm not sure what I'd do.  :D
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2002, 12:16:33 PM »
There is no chivalry in air combat - never was - That's a holly Wood myth.

The key element which made WWI and WWII Aces was that they always fought with an advanged and they always fought to win.

The goal is to kill the other guy, doesn't matter how you do it.

A HO is a legitemate tactic.

Whine and cry all you want....

if you die from a head shot, it's your own fault for getting your self into that situation.

Head shots are easy to avoid, barrel roll, or lead turn - it is as simple as that.

Whiners are loosers.

Whining about it and wanting everyone else to change their tactics, just let's everyone else know you can't handle it - you dont' have want it takes to win in Air Combat.

You are a looser and will always loose because you refuse to accept this as a tactic and refuse to learn how to overcome it to defeat those who use it.

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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2002, 12:23:00 PM »
:D

I've had it so engrained in my head from AW2 and AW3, that ho'ing was taboo (even tho the possiblity of a hit was minimal), that I find it very difficult to HO, even if the situation (1 vs 2+) warrents it.

So, what I do is merge with the idea that the person is gonna ho.  If he doesn't then I don't.  If he does, I avoid the HO, then smoke him on the next pass.  Then I laugh when he complains about being Ho'ed.  

The only plane I will HO right off the bat are those bloody buff formations :D  Much easier to kill the pilot than the buff.

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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2002, 12:25:46 PM »
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You are a looser and will always loose because you refuse to accept this as a tactic and refuse to learn how to overcome it to defeat those who use it.


LOL...

When did I ever say I refuse to accept this....on the contary I have totally accepted it IN THIS THREAD.  I have stated that I will practice and get good at it.

(in a bad French accent) Now go away..you silly thing.
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« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2002, 12:26:42 PM »
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Toad thinks I am stupid for not taking an HO shot and instead prefer to have a good fun fight it must be true


Don't take it the wrong way Curval.

I attempted to highlight the part of your initial post that I found curious but, since I was really tired, I forgot that the entire post would be in bold anyway. I should have done it like this:

"Any pilot who doesn't go for the head-on shot when he is in a bad situation.[/i] There are a few of them...I think.

Let me explain my views on HO.. and I'll try to be brief. :)

History is chock full of anecdotal pilot commentary on deliberately taking the HO. I myself have talked with NUMEROUS WW2 US pilots that deliberately went for the HO, most recently a P-47 guy that twice deliberately engaged FW-190's HO in defense of "his" bomber stream. (He got some non-fatal strikes but his aircraft wasn't damaged.) So the idea that it is somehow not "right" to HO doesn't fly with me.

As far as the "honor" of taking the HO in a game like AH.... Pfffft. It isn't "honor" that's the issue, it's skill. If a pilot has the advantage and goes for the HO, it isn't dishonorable, it's just plain stupid. :) He should use the advantage to kill you without risk to himself, or at least less risk to himself.

Now, if a pilot is on the other side of the fence and HE is in a truly disadvantaged position, he'd again be stupid if he didn't take his "best shot" at equalizing the situation at the earliest possible moment in the engagement. In this case, a HO shot may (or may not) be the best chance of surviving the engagement either by victory or simply by getting away.
 
In short, the HO is just another tactic. Just like the rope-a-dope, the hi yo-yo, the displacement roll or the rolling scissors. And just like these "politically correct" forms or air combat, there is in fact a time and a place to use the HO.

Using the HO when you don't need to do so isn't too smart IMO.

NOT using the HO when you need to also isn't too smart... again IMO.

OK.. that was brief, wasn't it?  ;)

I rarely ever need to use the HO when I'm anywhere close to corner speed. If someone tries to HO me when I've got good maneuveing speed, it usually results in a half-turn fight where I'm quickly on his six and he's quickly flaming. Seems that the incidence of this has increased recently and I look at them as easy, almost undeserved kills. But, a kill's a kill.

OTOH, when I get bounced aggressively when I'm in a very low E state my options for survival are limited. You can bet I'll try to get a low angle front quarter shot or even a true HO if I can get the nose around and on target. I find using no tracer and opening up early to let the attacker fly into the invisible bullet stream will often save my sorry butt. It also gives me time to hose off some rounds and still have time to possibly evade his return fire (which really depends on E and how quickly I can get back out-of-plane.

So, don't take this as "Toad thinks Curval is stupid despite Curval's college degrees."

It was more in jest as a quick riposte.

This HO thing has been beaten like a dead horse for 3 years now and I tend to skip the lengthy replies that I cheerfully wrote up back then.

I'd have skipped this one too but I certainly didn't mean to truly offend and I hope this lengthy explanation will make more sense than my "quip".

Yer an OK chap in my book Curval.  (Even if HO's still bother you. ;) )
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« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2002, 12:52:51 PM »
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I attempted to highlight the part of your initial post that I found curious but, since I was really tired, I forgot that the entire post would be in bold anyway. I should have done it like this:

"Any pilot who doesn't go for the head-on shot when he is in a bad situation.[/i] There are a few of them...I think.


Using the HO when you don't need to do so isn't too smart IMO.

NOT using the HO when you need to also isn't too smart... again IMO.



I cannot argue with this logic...thanks for the clarification.  You are right obviously...I was just frustrated because two nights ago I had fought two cons for about ten minutes and as soon as the advantage swung in my favour one of them reversed and HO'd me.  It was a good fight right up until then.

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2002, 01:13:59 PM »
Fire a burst at 1.0 just over the guy's head and barrell-roll.  I don't use tracers so every now and then the guy will inadvertantly fly into the bullet cloud.  You won't take him down, but you might take out an engine.

Technically, you went defensive while he engaged in full sight of your guns, so if he gets drilled, its his fault!
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2002, 01:35:30 PM »
I only take the head on if the way is in front of me.
And I will only shoot his chute if he bails out.

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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2002, 04:40:17 PM »
my sista's a HO, she looks nuthin like Toad.

On a slightly diffrent note, there are no 'HO Dweebs'. There's only dweebs that have been HO'ed.

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It was a good fight right up until then.


LOL Curval! Yer with the program right up to there.

It was still a good fight.. from the other guys perspective.

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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2002, 05:01:51 PM »
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It was still a good fight.. from the other guys perspective.
:D


:D Can't argue with that either:D
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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2002, 05:14:46 PM »
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I've had it so engrained in my head from AW2 and AW3, that ho'ing was taboo (even tho the possiblity of a hit was minimal), that I find it very difficult to HO, even if the situation (1 vs 2+) warrents it.

So, what I do is merge with the idea that the person is gonna ho.  If he doesn't then I don't.  If he does, I avoid the HO, then smoke him on the next pass.  Then I laugh when he complains about being Ho'ed.  

The only plane I will HO right off the bat are those bloody buff formations :D  Much easier to kill the pilot than the buff.


Sorry...missed this earlier.

I dig where you are coming from man...:cool: This is a philosopy I can equate with.
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« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2002, 10:44:09 PM »
'Course Toad has once again upstaged me with a fuller explanation of what I was saying in the first place... ;)