Author Topic: New Bomber Sys. After Thoughts  (Read 1005 times)

Offline MugZ

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« on: July 20, 2002, 09:25:34 AM »
OK.
I have to say that i really love the new bomber system concept.
Allthough i think it needs work, i am glad to see the more complex system at work. Its Cool
I am disapointed in the dramatic drop in Bomber Pilots spending time in bombers.:(  All the guys that i personally know that used to spend 95% of their time in Bombers, Are spending 90% of their time in GV,s Now.  And i personally communicate with around 15 or 20 of these bomber specific pilots on a daily basis in the game.
A look at the player score and stats are showing a very large drop in time logged in the new bombers. :(
Cmon yous guys. Git in dem Bombers!  :)  MugZ OUT

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2002, 09:55:49 AM »
give us more suitable targets and the #'s will rise again i think


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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2002, 10:13:26 AM »
Last night I took three B26s up from a10 to hit a4 (which was getting a little too happy against a5).

Grabbed up to about 16k and made my turn west towards the field.  Went level, opened doors backed throttle off 20% and made minor course adjustments for about 4 minutes until the IP
loomed near.  Went to sight and calibrated.  Set salvo and delay.  Made a nice pass, releasing 3 sets of four 500 pndrs, twice.  One for the east FH and one for the west FH.  Both drops bracketed the two of three Fhangers perfectly and destroyed them.

Made a safe landing at a5.  Was very enjoyable 30 minutes ;)
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2002, 10:39:10 AM »
I have been flying bomber much more than I have in the past.  I find the new system a real challenge.  I can consistantly calibrate my sights and can hit my target... with enough bombs .  But I am still learning, and with some more time, I can reduce my salvo and still hit the mark.  As an example, if I salvo 6, I try to put the 3rd salvo on the target.  Most times I am real close.

I like the fact that you don't have to fly back and forth over the target to pinpoint targes.  I am also looking forward to working on a squad level doing large bombing raids.  But this isn't going to come over night since most of them have yet to map the new keys:)

Setting up your route and approach to the target, the terrain, the target elevation, where you calibrate, etc makes the long boring ride much more exciting for me.

I also have been enjoying the other side of the fence, attacking bomber formations.  Hunting them down, and setting up for an attack.

I have been playing AW and AH for many years because I keep finding new challenges, and I am still learning.  The new bomber system now has a learning curve, like air combat.  I think it will take people time to come up to speed.  

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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2002, 10:44:05 AM »
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Both drops bracketed the two of three Fhangers perfectly and destroyed them.


WTG Yeager!  It doesn't get any better then this :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2002, 12:42:59 PM »
WTG Yeager  

GunnerCAF.  Are you geting the same results in the Main Arena?
Or does it seam to be different in the Main Arena than in an offline or H2H Mode of play? Thanks
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2002, 01:06:46 PM »
HTC, please you can wery simple way fix the Buffs , adjust the egs loadet on eny level bomber, that mean the egg loadet on buffs NEED 100 % or more biger dmg  radius  ! like this  they can destroy something and they will need still lear to drops eggs with some  precision

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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2002, 02:48:35 PM »
MugZ,

Yes, in the MA.  I have spent some time in the TA, mostly flying over the water practicing calibration.  Since the last patch, I can drop them real close.  Before the patch I was lucky to hit close.

I am not talking about dropping one bomb and hitting a target like you used to be able to do.  The way it is now, you will be lucky to take out one or two hangers with a load of bombs from a formation of 3 B17s for example.  I set salvo to drop them all to hit one target.

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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2002, 04:04:30 PM »
I don't like it ...I no longer fly them and now AH is half as fun.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2002, 05:27:20 PM by SirLoin »
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2002, 06:01:24 PM »
I agree with SirLoin. The fun is gone.

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2002, 07:39:05 PM »
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I don't like it ...I no longer fly them and now AH is half as fun.


But why?

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2002, 08:37:12 PM »
I would like to see the wind turned off in the MA while
more of us get the hang of bombing

And the buff formation damage model fixed, seems
easier to kill all three in 1.10 than 1 buff in 1.09

Its NOT worth taking the time to get to a target  and
and being able to have 1 fighter make 1 pass and take out all 3 buffs using 6- 50 cals
(will have to remember to record that)
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2002, 08:58:14 PM »
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But why?


It's simple really.

Precision bombing can still be done, there is no reason for the bombs to not hit your mark close enough to hit the target.  Practice will do it.  The calibration system is not a problem.

However, the calibration system has one MAJOR effect.  You cannot maneuver beyond small adjustments without having to wait on your speed and then recalibrating.  This means you get one pass on a target, which needs to be essentially a straight line.

Another pass takes roughly as long as it would take to crash and bring a jabo out.  You need to turn around 25miles out or so, wait for your speed to level out, and then recalibrate.

This is all well and good, except, our targets are apparently designed to withstand the old precision, "turning while bombing" bombsight.  So they are spread out enough that it is forced to take multiple passes to do any severe damage.  In the new bombing system, this makes doing more than token damage nearly impossible for a bomber.  

This especially applies to strat targets which are what bombers are 'supposed' to be targeting.  They're so spread out that in a carpet bombing pass, the best anyone can hope to do is get a couple of buildings.  On top of being hard to damage, strat targets have no noticable effect on the game.  How many times have you sat at a damaged base, and wished the strat wouldn't have been bombed so you could get some of your field back?

The bomber formation damage problems arent helping.  I don't know if they are bugs, design flaws, or actual design.  When one bomber gets hit, other bombers often take the same damage.  I would guess that some damage is being tied to the pilot, not the plane.  A number of times I've lost a piece of one plane in the formation, bailed out, to see it now missing from the other plane, bailing out of that one, the last plane is missing the same parts!  I've also seen the same thing happen to bombers I've shot up.  By killing a piece of the lead, you can bring down the whole formation!

Blah.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2002, 01:28:24 PM by Innominate »

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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2002, 09:32:55 PM »
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However, the calibration system has one MAJOR effect. You cannot maneuver beyond small adjustments without having to wait on your speed and then recalibrating. This means you get one pass on a target, which needs to be essentially a straight line.


Yes, I guess this would be much closer to how it was really done.... and this is bad?

I agree that one (set of three) will only do minimal damage.  I think this is a step in the right direction.  What we need is  3 maybe 5 sets of bombers to hit a field.  This is reasonable with the numbers we have in the MA.  I think this sounds like much more fun than one lone Lanc at 30K going back and forth percision dropping bombs on each hanger and building.  Fun both for the people in the bombers, and people attacking the large group of bombers.  

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2002, 09:44:15 PM by GunnerCAF »
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2002, 11:13:57 PM »
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Yes, I guess this would be much closer to how it was really done.... and this is bad?


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