Author Topic: bombing (Read 746 times)

bj229r · « **on:** July 26, 2002, 10:10:49 PM »

Well ive tried some 40 buff missions throughout the month, most all 15k and above (it is unreasonable to egg below that alt) I can usually hit a town, or kill various small items on a field..trying to
kill a hangar typically means i put a ####load of concentrated eggs in the ground NEAR said hangar. Vast majority of guys who say new buff thing is great are fiter pilots who neednt wory about buffs hurtin their fields anymore. 2 guys from my squad quit the 2nd day after the new model came out-- writing is on wall that there will be no more pure buff drivers, and they want nothing to do with it--there is no way a buff pilot can make a difference in the game now, (thought it IS an interesting challenge.) Im not gonna fly buffs anymore..its not an effective use of the little time i get to play this game. I have ALSO noticed that buffs blow up easier, and 50 cal lethality against fiters has dropped heaps. (dont say it is because the other 2 guns are firing also, if the guy makes a side attack, the other 2 buffs are out of the picture.) AND, mebbe 3 missions of 5..my drones poof somewhere along the way. If ya wanna kill a base..dont use buffs or tanks...Does ANYONE SEE SOMETHING WRONG with that statement?

BenDover · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2002, 11:04:40 PM »

first tanks, now buffs become useless:(

althought i did just have a nice tank battle in h2h...........on one of my maps of course:)

Shiva · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2002, 11:47:24 PM »

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there is no way a buff pilot can make a difference in the game now

That's not true; just this evening I was up from 52 to 44 online at about 13,500' -- just under the wind layer -- with a trio of B-26s, having to shoot an annoying P-38 pilot off my tail before I made my IP turn, then calibrating and making my bomb run; I got my first three pairs of bombs out before the 190 that had come up from 44 to get me shot off my left wing, and I was able to pickle my last pair of eggs before I bailed to the second plane and shot the 190 pilot down.

As I jumped back into the pilot position to turn for egress back to a friendly field, I saw that I'd taken out the fuel tank and ack emplacement I was dropping at and an ammo bunker I wasn't sure I would get... and then my port engine died. I had a Spit and a P-38 chasing me out; I took a couple shots at the P-38 and got hit sprites, then turned a little port to clear a shooting angle as he dropped below me, but saw that he'd fallen back and the Spit had come up. I gave the Spit some rounds from the left-side gun position, then jumped to the tail position as he swung up behind me and went down to my tail guns, but I didn't get him fast enough to avoid losing my other drone and my right engine.

The P-38 had been engaged by a countrymate and had fallen out of con range, so I put my nose down and looked for a field, finally deadsticking into 45, netting 6.41 perk points and three kills for the run. In retrospect, I should have gone higher before the IP turn, maybe to 18,000' or 19,000', but I accomplished what I was after, and for a mid-level buff run against an enemy airfield with eight hostiles up at the field, being able to drop with all three buffs and get a plane home with only a tiny amount of escort assistance is a satisfying accomplishment.

SKurj · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2002, 08:09:08 AM »

It is true Shiva...

If 1 in 20 buff runs has any impact on gameplay its too small a sample. if 10 in 100.. same..., hell 20 in 100 still the same..

Ya got an ack and 2 targets which take a single 250lb egg(ea) to kill. The biggest impact you had on the game was the coupla fighters you shot down..

BenDover... tanks are quite useful and have an impact depending on the map. Much more so than buffs. Granted an osty is more powerful, but the two working together can do alotta damage +)

SKurj

BenDover · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2002, 08:59:52 AM »

something does need to be done about osties

Kills:

buildings
tanks
planes
troops

In fact, remove all the other vehicles, save space!

Add some flotation devices, and a little wagon with 10 troops towed on the back, and thats all you need

Who's with me?!

Shiva · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2002, 01:24:16 PM »

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Ya got an ack and 2 targets which take a single 250lb egg(ea) to kill. The biggest impact you had on the game was the coupla fighters you shot down..

I had been planning on hitting the FHs, but when someone asked for someone to pork 44, I changed targets to ones that would have more effect on planes taking off at the field, since there are 3 FHs at a small field and I could only get two of them.

The buff run didn't actually have pounding the field as a primary goal; I've been testing something I've discovered about the sight calibration procedure, and it appears that what I discovered works quite well in practice; my calibration accuracy has taken a major jump.

bj229r · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2002, 05:09:10 PM »

Thats all well and good Shiva...BUT..if ya cant kill hangars at an airbase, then buffs are useless, other than a way to get some points via egging cities, depots, large bases, etc. I dont mind having to line up a sector out, not bein able to make last second course changes, etc..but if i do ALL THAT at 15k or so..150 mph..no wind..and cant kill ONE FREAKIN FH with 36 eggs...then why fly a buff?

anxious

john9001 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2002, 05:28:41 PM »

that is BS, if you lack the skill to hit targets don't blame the game, i'm a mediocre pilot and i knocked down two FH on one pass with a flight of B-17's , you just have to know how to do it.

44MAG
mediocre pilot

bj229r · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2002, 06:19:43 PM »

ok...what was your alt?

Joc · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2002, 04:30:53 PM »

Since the new bombing procedure came out Ive done nothing but bomb, in fact I cant get enough of it, which is why I formed my new squadron. I have to think a LOT about my bombing now,which is why Im addicted to it now,before I hated being able to kill any target at all from 25k+. My bombing accuracy is probably running at 85% able to hit that target dead on,and improving all the time with practice.
However,I would like to address a couple of things I wouldnt mind improving.

1) Bombers toughened up.They DO seem to take damage far easily.
2)The guns dont seem to be as lethal as they were.
3)Bomber damage,if one of your drones take damage,Ive noticed that your remaining plane suffers the same damage,bombers should be treated as individual a/c ,damage should not be shared amongst them.
4) A .spread command to space out your a/c on a bomb run.

bozon · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2002, 06:12:07 PM »

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1) Bombers toughened up.They DO seem to take damage far easily.

true. I have a feeling like hitting one bomber damage the others too. I've dived from high 12 on B17 formation and fired only at the leader. 2 bombers went down imediatly and the 3rd one started to smoke a few seconds later (the screen frose

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2)The guns dont seem to be as lethal as they were.

that is 'cos now guns dont fire through the plane. so in a simple dead 6 attack you have only the rear gunner firing, and maybe the belly ball too if he's lower. the top turret cant fire through the tail no more.
add to that that having 3 bomber don't mean much since they converge at about d1.0. and at d300 you efectivly have only 1 gunner hitting the bandit.

as for not doing damage. try taking a lanc formation and droping 42000lbs on a field. I've killed 3 fuel, barracks, radar, ack gun, and a FH (and another FH damaged). and this is on a small field.
this is not making a difference?! the field was down to 25% fuel (the last tank was destroyed earlier) had no dar, had less acks, and 1.5 FH left.

I didn't like the single lanc shutting down a field in the previous versions.

Bozon

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2002, 08:13:14 PM »

bombers should have little to 0 impact of fighters. They are strategical weapons and should be used to effect things other then fighter hangers. For some reason the strat in the past few maps has been undamageable. Thats a different problem.

Bombers can still kill the twns in the support of field capture. I dont know who told you it was the roll of a minority in community (bomber pilots) to stop the majorioty (fighter pilots) from having fun.

WTG Ht on new bomber model. Btw I have seen bombers kill fighter hangers. If you cant that just meansd you need more practice. Bombing is a skill now learn it or move on.

bj229r · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2002, 09:42:52 PM »

Thats the thing Wotan...ANYthing can kill gas, ammo--110, mossies, tiffs do that VERY well...towns as well, and they take 1/10th the time to get there..the ONE ability buffs WOULD have in the present config of AH is being able to kill hangars (DID mange to kill a FH this am..wind was at 14k..went in at 13k, though on abusy night ya just dont get in at 13k) Strats, etc--theres no reason to kill em with buffs...if someone wants to, more power to em..but at present its not an effective use of manpower. And I agree that buffs are WAY easier to kill..bullets FROM buffs are less lethal...and it is rare that guns from 2 or more buffs can be brought to bear on a con

Wotan · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2002, 12:03:24 AM »

jabos were always better at destroying field objects. They are now and were before 1.10.

thats what jabos were designed for. They target specific things. Bombers "area" bomb. Thats what they are for.

jabos in ah always killed airfields better then buffs. I have been here since tour 3. 190a8s, dhogs/chogs, p38 were the jabo kings. Then the typh jug, f6f. Now we have a huge selection of attack planes.

argue for more "area" targets for bombers to hit. Argue for a better strat system. But dont try to tell me the only way bombers can be usefull is by stopping the fighters.

You can still "area" bomb a town. Once the strat bugs are worked out you can hit them again.

Or maybe if you ask the guys that are actually hitting stuff how they do it and practicing you might be able to as well.

Bombers in ah were by far the "dweebiest" part of ah. HT did a good job to remedy that.

I agree bombers seem very fragile. Argue that.

Leave the fhs alone.

Pongo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2002, 12:32:28 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
that is BS, if you lack the skill to hit targets don't blame the game, i'm a mediocre pilot and i knocked down two FH on one pass with a flight of B-17's , you just have to know how to do it.

44MAG
mediocre pilot

Well something is strange here. I could bomb fine in 1.10 but since the patch I cant bomb at all. Its not skill, I could hit individual acks with 100 pounders.. Now I cant hit within 300 yards of a hanger....