The aircraft, and tanks, I would choose for 1.11

[Kweassa]

"WWII air combat"

 .. Which part of these words do you not understand?

 If we were looking for 'fun' only, what's to stop us from putting the Millenium Falcon in AH? Or put up the Death Star available for 2000 perks?

 
ps) MA or TA has nothing to do with the difference in our views. The outline of this game, as many people agree on, remains within the boundaries of WWII. Me163 would be an interesting addition, but planes like the F8F, P-51H, Do335 and such do not have a place here.

[brady]

Yes the line must be drawn somewhear, i would love to fly the Do 335 as much as some would want the F8F, but the line has been draw at what saw combat. As others have said so many great planes from WW 2 have yet to be done, some are listed above and others will be some day added, planes like the I 16, the Cr 42, He 123, the Me 163 all conceavably have a place in AH, I would love to see them all, and hopefully we will. One thing is for shure HTC is a growing concern, they are concerned with improving their product, and expanding their universe"it's Alive!".

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Karnak
Here is the list of aircraft I would pick for 1.11.  This is not a list of my "most wanted" aircraft, but the list that I think would be best for AH.

Ki-84-Ia Hayate "Frank"
H8K2 "Emily"
P-39Q Airacobra
Ju87B-1
Ju87G-1
T-34/85
Panther V G

 

I have real dificulty beliving that inthe AH world that one tank is o so different from another.................I believe the T34 85 was a 44 variant............... a vehicle I would add for eastern front scenario play (42 to 45) and for kick bellybutton ma action would be the Katyusha rocket launcher with trailer...................

Highly inaccurate but I would love to see a few salvos (one of two with the trailer) of 24 heavy rockets falling on a town or airfield from a max. 16 mile range.

The best way to model it would be as a chevy truck & trailer with various load outs..................

Load out 1 would be a 24 rocket  Katyusha rocket trailer with another 24 mounted on the truck.

Load out 2 would be a 5" artilery piece (as trailer) with ammo stored in the truck.

Load out 3 would be a 75/85 mm AA gun(as trailer) with ammo stored in the truck.

Load out 4 would be a 37mm flack gun and ammo in the trailer and 10 troops in the truck.

To use any of the above the player has to stop the truck and set up his trailer and munitions or equip his troops......a period of say 30 /60 sec's during which he is highly vunerable

[Don]

karnak:
I would add additional shipping ie. Tankers, supply ships barges etc. to represent supply assets for countries. The game has railroads, trucks etc. and can use Goonies for resupply. I think additional shipping can be added to the overall strat system for certain maps, plus be used as legitimate targets.

[Don]

>>The Me-163,Mk1 Meteor, or Mxy-7ohka in 1.11 just for something way new when the last time we got something big like those? <<

Hehe, 11 sentences and 2, count em, two punctuation marks.
It left me breathless

[Shiva]

I think the Sherman m4A3(75) and the T-34/85 should be co introduced and then the perk panther...but that is splitting hairs.

Given that the Panther was designed as a reponse to the T-34/76, I'd expect the T-34/85 to be perked just as much as the Panther.

Of course, unless the weapon-vs-armor and weapon-vs-structure code is fixed, it doesn't matter how much it's perked -- it will still be porked.

[cajun]

Don't forget ships! I'd allso love to see more realistic ship damadge model, where guns and stuff can be taken out, right now attacking a carrier is pretty much useless, unless you've got 10-15 other people with you, though in real life you may not be able to take out a ship your self, a small squad could severly damadge it, like the Fairey Sword Fish attack on the bismark, they didn't sink it, but blew off rudder & damadged few other things, making it possible for our ships to come in and sink it.

I'd allmost like to see ship damadge model as much as a few biplanes or a b25

[brady]

Actualy the gun on the T34/85 is comperable in preformance to that on the PzKfW IV we have now. The Gun on the Panther is A FAR better weapon,,and the Panther A far better over all Tank than the T34 series.

 Cariers are still prety easy to kill, I have witnesed sereral one person sinkings of CV's lately, I beleave a bomber formation was responsable. Last night AGJV44, and I sank a CV in one sortie together, I was in a P38 and he had an A20G.

[Pollock]

I am selfish.

P-47M or N perked for the playpen arena

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Shiva


Given that the Panther was designed as a reponse to the T-34/76, I'd expect the T-34/85 to be perked just as much as the Panther.

 

Not sure of your logic but.
The Panther way way way over matches a T34/85. The T34/85 is a closer match for a panzer IVH.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Shiva:
Given that the Panther was designed as a reponse to the T-34/76, I'd expect the T-34/85 to be perked just as much as the Panther.

This has no bearing on what is perked and not perked.  The unit's effectiveness governs whether it is perk or not.  Look at the Spitfire Mk XIV for example, it was introduced well before the P-51D, Bf109G-10, N1K2 or Fw190D-9 and built in larger numbers than the N1K2 or Fw190D-9, yet it is perked and the others are not.

I'm with Pongo on this one.

Look at the PnZ IV H as compared with the T-34/85:

PnZ IV H compared to T-34/85:

Pro:
Better gun
Some AA
Better optics (if HTC starts to model this)
Better visibility
Con:
Worse armor
Worse terrain handling
Slower

Now for Panther V G vs. T-34/85:

Pro:
Much better gun
Some AA
Better optics (if HTC starts to model this)
Better visibility
Better armor
Con:
Slightly slower

As we can see, the T-34/85 in no way equals the Panther V G and in fact is a good match for the PnZ IV H.  Thus we can see that the T-34/85 should not be perked.


As to your other comment, well, I can only hope for a revised damage system.  Perhaps one in which rounds do not do their maximum damage every time, as in Il-2.

[Gator]

Originally posted by oboe
I like all the a/c on this list, but no comment on the GVs.   I rarely use them.

I'd add ... an early P-38 like the F, G, or H, to add fighter options for the US in early/mid war PTO settings.

I'm in complete agreement ... I like Karnak's list of a/c, have no comment on the GV's, and would really like to have more P-38 options.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by MaddDog
ied much rather see an F-8f which would actually be worth flying

F8's never saw combat, no justification adding them here. P39 was a decent ground attack aircraft.

[-tronski-]

Agree with
Ki-84
P-39Q
Panther Tank series
T-34
Ju87


I would eject the Flying boats for a Beaufighter Mk21, or a Me-410.
I don't think the lack of a T-34 AA gun makes too much difference considering the lack of defensive firepower the Pz-IV can produce with it's AA wep.

 Tronsky

[minus]

well i beg for GVs  , but firts of it get ride of any icons  vs GV , othervise perk GV   have no chance

some reduction on the zomm in guner position , preset zoom for  comander

make the heavy gvs realy resistant vs   not specialized  plane guns

now the prefered gvs,
 234 /1 and 2 and 3  KFZ  like the 2 cm and the 5 cm  version , other name PUMA

some camions like kfz 251,opel blitz, demag,maultier, zis, wilis  jeep, dodge wc 51

and the best for them to tow like : pak 38 , pak 40, m 101  and any other howitzers, and dont forget nebelwerfer towed or mounted

something exotic like bmw  r 75 motorcykle with sidecar
 what for ? if no more icons, reduced mega zoms  scouts and comander  vehicles with beter zom will be necesery to coordinate

about pathers ,i thing it was the G version who used on some the firs night vision device

also dont forget a nice bunch of tank hunters like wolfwerine , jagdpanzers ,su 100

well lotsa work for natedog and superfly:D  , about the airquakers who pretend have fun only flying planes, with  this selection  your quake furbal will looks more like a ww2fight and with no lazer50 calibers and no hizokas u will have oportunity use il2 , stuka

if no icons automaticly  ostwind willbe lees deadly