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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2002, 04:06:38 PM »
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if no icons automaticly ostwind willbe lees deadly


Why so?  It seems that no icons on the Osti would make it more dangerous.  I wouldn't know what it was until way, way too late and I would have a big, fat "MOSS" icon to let it know exactly what I am.

Admittedly this would make all GVs (brown ones at least) more survivable as everybody would have to assume that they were Ostwinds.

It sure wouldn't make Ostwinds less powerful though.
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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2002, 04:17:53 PM »
karnak if osti or m 16  get ride icons vs plane s and versa and especialy distance mesure , then guners have to realy peel eyes to track the bugers

yes the plane have to carefuly pick up target , but is it necesery to give chance a perk gvs, and the aa guner will have hard time  to track targets and surprise  strafing will become more efective , anyway if concentrated group of flaks  will present danger ifthey coordinated be a comander vehicle ,this one can keep up icons like now
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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2002, 05:06:43 PM »
Ah.  I got you.  You mean the Osti wouldn't get my icon either.

I thoght you just meant that aircraft wouldn't get GV icons.
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2002, 09:29:09 PM »
Few T-34 had a radio.

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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2002, 08:55:23 AM »
>>Few T-34 had a radio<<

Rgr that. Only the command tank had radio.

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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2002, 12:24:41 PM »
My vote goes for the Panther II tank for a new "perk tank":D

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« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2002, 02:07:37 PM »
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>>Few T-34 had a radio<<

Rgr that. Only the command tank had radio.


I think that this was only a problem for the Russians at the start of the war.  Who has stats on this?

my vote is for the Panther, too!  One of the best AFVs of WW2.

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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2002, 03:14:46 PM »
The following  based on the historic infuance these aircraft had.

US

B-24
Devistator (would round out the early was PAC)
B-29
B-25

LW

JU-87
HE-111
Do-17


Japanees

Frank
Betty
Kate (would round out the early was PAC)

Russian (note - I am sure there are other russian AC but I am not as well versed in eastern front history to know better)

Pe-2
P-39 (Lend lease)

Avid

P.S. Oh and P-47N just becuse I want it :-)

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« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2002, 06:45:02 AM »
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Pongo raises and interesting point, Just how reselent would a King Tiger be to bomb damage?

 Just how reselent should a PzKfW hull be to bomb damage....

  The other knight I took out an osty's engine with my 7.9mm hull MG by shoting him in the rear from about 100 yards.

 How well are these things modeled?

 The big issue with any perk vehical will always be the air component of the game, in our Ah universe of NO cover for GV's, a world whear GV's rarely live long enough to fight one another before they are killed by a plane I wounder how happy we will be when We hop in our PANTHER (we just paid to ride) and a P 38 drop's 2 k on our head, ya shure we fired our MG 34 at him, but it is only realy effective aganst Panzer IV's......


Strafing wasnt  serious threat to any major tank models of ww2. There was usually 12-20mm of armor at tanks deck.

It would need specialized AT-cannon to have any serious effect.
As few examples...
-BK 3.7cm(Modified 3.7cm FlaK 36 with wolfram core ammunition)

-BK 5cm (Modified 5cm PaK 38)

-BK7.5cm (Modified 7.5cm PaK 40)
-NS-37

-NS-45

-Vickers 40mm


Not even such guns like VYa-23 despite of very heavy bullet(for its caliber) and high muzzle velocity were enough to kill medium tanks. (25mm penetration against vertical plate)


Also after action research (in late 1944) at battlegrounds in france didnt show much (if any) of tanks killed by strafing. Yes pilots of ground attack units did serious overclaiming. Actually research showed that their effect was only supressing and few (from air)tank kills were made with direct hits from bombs or rockets. I posted of this study in GV damage thread earlier.

About 40mm Vickers from Tonys site:
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Tests in the Far East showed a high level of accuracy, with an average of 25% of shots fired at tanks striking the target. Attacks with HE were twice as accurate as with AP, possibly because the ballistics were a closer match with the .303" Brownings used for sighting (the HE shell was lighter and was fired at a higher velocity). By comparison, the practice strike rate of the 60 pdr RPs (rocket projectiles) fired by fighter-bombers was only 5% against tank-sized targets. Operational Research following the Normandy battles of 1944 revealed that in action this fell to only 0.5%, presumably because of problems in making the complex mental calculations about the trajectory of the slow-accelerating rockets, although the effect of a salvo of RPs on the morale of tank crews was admittedly considerable.
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2002, 07:02:31 AM »
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My vote goes for the Panther II tank for a new "perk tank":D


Tank in your picture is PzKpfw VG "Panther", late model. (redesigned gun mantlet to avoid ricochets through deck armor)

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« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2002, 08:32:58 AM »
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I think that this was only a problem for the Russians at the start of the war.  Who has stats on this?

my vote is for the Panther, too!  One of the best AFVs of WW2.


Only command tank had radio during 1941-42 but later all russian tanks were equipped with radio in beginning of 1943...

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« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2002, 06:55:05 PM »
illo, nice post m8t.

  Sometimes in AH it seams that they way armor is modeled is if you were firing on a Ammo bunker, once you get enough hits on it it will fail. So if you dump X amount of 20mm into the side of a tank it will fail, or it may require 10x of 7mm to do the same thing, which is in sharp contrast to reality.

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« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2002, 09:33:20 PM »
What I would choose for

1.11.
He 177A-5
Ju 87B-1
Ju 87D-5
P-39Q-10
LaGG-3

1.12 :)
B-239
Jak-1
I-16 type 28
I-153
Gloster Gladiator

1.13 :D
KI-84c
FW 190A-6
P 51A
Jak-9
La-5

1.14 :eek:
terrain revision.
T-34/85
M2A3e8 Sherman.
perk Brummbär (150mm Inf. gun on PzKpfw IV chassis with good sloped armor)
+some AT airplanes.  
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« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2002, 11:28:42 PM »
P-39Q Aircobra
P-63A-10 Kingcobra

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« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2002, 04:52:37 AM »
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Tank in your picture is PzKpfw VG "Panther", late model. (redesigned gun mantlet to avoid ricochets through deck armor)



Nope..... That is indeed the sole Panther II ever built.  

The late Panther G turret was put on it late in the war by the Germans or the Americans.