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Offline eskimo2

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« on: July 30, 2002, 12:59:05 PM »
OK, clearly this is a poorly disguised bomber whine thread.  
But seriously, who out there has given up on trying to bomb stuff with bombers?  It sounds as if some of the dedicated bomber pilots have gotten the knack of the new system, but for those of you who only fly buffs on occasion, who else has found that they are no longer worth the time and effort?

For me, the best bomber out there now is a single JU-88, only because it's a great 4,000 pound dive bomber that can actually hit something.  A trio of B-17s is now better than ever for fighter trolling, but if I want to clobber a ground target, I'll stick to the C-Hog.

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Offline gofaster

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2002, 01:06:24 PM »
You're on the right track.  I've notice that when someone wants to run a base capture mission, there aren't any bombers in the line-up.  Its all P-51Ds, Typhoons, P-38s, and Corsairs - heavy fighters that can divebomb and strafe an airfield with a fair amount of accuracy.  Sure, it takes more fighters to accomplish what a true bomber can do, but at least there's a better possibility of a successful base capture.

I should know - my country has been on the receiving end of a solid butt-whupping all this week, and with the exception of the lone Lancaster flight, its all jabo, jabo, jabo escorted by N1K2, LA-7 and Spitfire dweebs looking to get some quick vulch kills after the field defenses are down.
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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2002, 01:13:41 PM »
In regards to buffs in missions, I've never had them in my missions except on rare occasions (B17, Lanc) simply because the arena, since around 1.04, has become such a fast changing environment that it renders these slow moving aircraft useless..by the time you get to intended target, the flow of the battle has changed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2002, 01:13:44 PM »
Hmmm... I've seen plenty of bombers hitting bases during strikes and being effective... so practice definately helps.  I guess I feel that it should be equally difficult to hop in all planes and be successful... not just fighters.

That said... I think the trend towards base capture is the NOE attack.  No matter how high or accurate the buffs are... they give things away.  Its extremely difficult to slip them in under radar.

Perhaps no bar-dar for NOE raids has been the death of buffs?

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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2002, 01:14:23 PM »
Its a very near thing Eskimo.
I could bomb fine with 1.10, but after the patch I cant bomb at all.
I am currently wasteing time off line trying to figure out in wich way I am wrong.

Right now I would never count on bombers accomplishing anything in the MA.
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Offline SKurj

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2002, 01:14:56 PM »
i have...

too frustrating..


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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2002, 01:17:05 PM »
Somewhere, Lazs is grinning ear to ear...
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2002, 01:17:33 PM »
The buffs are dead! ......long live the buffs!

I have found that I am buffing about the same.  I had good success early on with buffs in 1.10 but I have found it has become difficult and challenging to say the least.  I still really like the format and suspect that at least 6 months need to pass before having any real trend to call on.
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Offline keyapaha

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2002, 01:19:05 PM »
not me I am gonna be the best danged bomber pilot in da hole danged are force

   but seriously i got a ways to go now  i can bomb pretty good below 14k i hit about 6 out of 10 sorties ( i do the same prodcedure everytime but dont hit every time )

  now that i have started to get above the wind level its like starting over cant hit nothing as of yet but only flew 3 sorties 1 at 26k and 2 at 19k  but i will keep trying till i get it right  but thats just me .

  BTW i love divebombing the ju88 its my favorite bomber out of all the bombers AH has followed closely by the Ki67

  Although i am intregued with the H8K2 "Emily" i saw in Mitsu's post  hope that gets modeled in one of these days.
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Offline muckmaw

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2002, 01:31:55 PM »
Deja has this one right on the head. Why bother with a slow, alt. grabbing Buff mission, when a Jabo mission under dar will get the base capture much faster, and more effectively?

When I'm off on my own, though, I can still be found in my 26 formation, lurking around 10k.

BTW, I'm loving the carpet bombing of GVs!

But for base capture, as it stands now, I think the buff is pretty useless.
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2002, 01:31:57 PM »
I have, I'm doing everything in the P47 lately, or the P-38.  If I dont wanna haul eggs, then Im in the 109 G10 or 190 A8.

I tried, I really have.  Can't even hit within the borders of the base...  Something either is hosed or I just cant sight a thing anymore.

You know its a bad day when my fighter perks almost outnumber my buff ones  :D
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2002, 01:37:31 PM »
if i want to kill stuff like ack. I get personel and strafe it. I dont use bombers.
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Offline AKSWulfe

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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2002, 01:42:40 PM »
Before 1.10:

Salvo bombs, reduce speed, open bomb bay doors, point, click... BOOM target dead every time, no challenge, no skill, nada damn thing.

After 1.10:

Salvo bombs, enter target alt, reduce speed, open bomb bay doors, calibrate gunsight, drop.. the good guys get the same satisfying "target destroyed" messages... the others, well they complain on the UBB.
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Offline eskimo2

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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2002, 01:52:31 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Before 1.10:

Salvo bombs, reduce speed, open bomb bay doors, point, click... BOOM target dead every time, no challenge, no skill, nada damn thing.

After 1.10:

Salvo bombs, enter target alt, reduce speed, open bomb bay doors, calibrate gunsight, drop.. the good guys get the same satisfying "target destroyed" messages... the others, well they complain on the UBB.
-SW


I see that you have a bomber hit % of 0%.

Please share with the rest of us how you know about what it takes to be "good".

eskimo
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Offline wipass

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2002, 01:55:44 PM »
I was poor at buffing before and now I don't even attempt it
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