Author Topic: War on Drugs (Read 3313 times)

senna · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2002, 06:30:03 PM »

The west is full of drug use and drug related subjects. Its pathetic. If you go to Japan or Korea, you'll see how clean and beautiful its cities are. They can win the drug war if they really wanted to, they have the resources and the mite and power to, I dont think the polititions really want to or care to. They have their own agendas. My .02 cents.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #16 on:** July 31, 2002, 06:52:46 PM »

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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
No SW. You have absolutely no clue. You pot heads think you know the Drug Culture. You think you know how these people think cause you smoke up a bowl of mull and you feel breezy and listen to your Bob Marley CD's.

I'm am getting extremely tired of you insinuating that because I smoke pot, I am a pothead, and thus what I say is wrong just because you can't stand what I'm saying. Here's a thought, go to the library, check out a few books. Drugs and the workplace and various other drug related books, then come to America and have the US government teach you about drugs. I don't listen to Bob Marley either, of course it's funny- I bet the music you listen to, those very same guys got all fugged up on drugs. Unless of course you don't listen to music.

Tell that to the 5 year old girl, who's mother Overdosed on pain killers last week.

Uhm, those are legal drugs. You know you don't need a drug runner to get you that stuff, don't you? Half the doctors in the US will prescribed them to you if you are convincing enough.

Who's father I arrested only yesterday in a drug induced state where he couldnt even tell me where his daughter currently was. (I found her 6 hours later in another Druggie home being looked after by a Zombie. She is now removed from that waste of space).

You deal with the bottom rung, they will always be the bottom rung whether the "War on Drugs" goes on or not.

I've got 13 years of stories for you on why we should fight drugs at every turn. Hell I'll even renew my AH subscription for a year, not to fly but to simply ensure you and others hear the other side as often and as loudly as I can proclaim it. I may never convince you but I wont let you and others tell people who have no idea that what your advocating in any way shape or form can be a good thing.

How do you know? You don't, so your 13 years of stories in no better than my education on the matter. You don't know what would happen at all if the "War on Drugs" ended, you only assume because you are a police officer. I got news for you, you will ALWAYS be dealing with the failures in life. The "War on Drugs" just gives you someone to look at, and go, "Wow man, drugs really screwed you up." When the real problem is, they screwed themselves up. They LET the drugs become addictive. "Just one more"... those people will always exist and they will always want their fix, "War on Drugs" or not... it won't get worse.

You and others live in a fantasy world, you have ABSOLUTELY no clue and you are 100% WRONG.

No, Sp00k, you are hopelessly uneducated on this subject. And I am, that's the problem. I'm not wrong.
-SW

Eagler · « **Reply #17 on:** July 31, 2002, 07:07:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
According to the report last night. Holland allows recreational use of marijuana.

Funny thing is... drug use by teenagers in Holland is less than U.S. per capita, crime is lower than U.S. too.

SC-Spook you don't know what will happen if the U.S. changed the laws. Fact is, neither do we, but I'm willing to give it a try and see. I believe that the cure for drug use in this society is worse than the disease itself.

It's a belief. It's not fact. Hell... we might be wrong, but I'd bet not.

then move to Holland

what works there would not work here.

sc-spook knows the criminal side of it much better than your light to medium dope user will ever know it.

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2002, 07:19:22 PM »

God I hate quoting quoters...Ho hum, here we go...

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
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Here's a thought, go to the library, check out a few books. Drugs and the workplace and various other drug related books, then come to America and have the US government teach you about drugs.

Theres half your problem. Your reading the wrong Books. Drugs are the same ALL over the world. The people, the drugs, the opinions and the experts. No class structure, no colour, no religious barriers, no age limit and no race limitations. The ultimate equaliser. The US Government, as much as I like you guys can tell me nothing, I cant find here or anywhere else for that matter on Drugs.

I bet the music you listen to, those very same guys got all fugged up on drugs. Unless of course you don't listen to music.

All hail TRUE Country Music. Not many true blue Guitar smashing, black clothed wearing, skull and cross boned adorned, make up wearing pansy freakazoids there.

Uhm, those are legal drugs. You know you don't need a drug runner to get you that stuff, don't you? Half the doctors in the US will prescribed them to you if you are convincing enough.

Really? Why do you think she was taking prescription drugs? (amongst many other things) Did she wake up one day and determine she was addicted to the local GP's magical remedies?Give it some thought SW. The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

You deal with the bottom rung, they will always be the bottom rung whether the "War on Drugs" goes on or not.

I dealt with the bottom and the middle, including trans-national and international investigation. You are correct that there will always be a bottom rung. Whether Drugs are legalised or not.

They LET the drugs become addictive. "Just one more"... those people will always exist and they will always want their fix, "War on Drugs" or not... it won't get worse.

Young babies and those not yet born do not LET drugs become addictive. Young kids encouraged and given the opportunity do not LET themselves become addicted.

Drugs create chemical imbalances in the body. The brain creates andorphins (sp?) in response to the high. Sooner or later, the High isnt enough and the brain tells the body it wants more. To get more you gotta give it more. Cannabis, Caffeine, Alchohol etc. Give it a name. Its all the same. Theres no letting. Its all in the getting because 9 times outta 10, you no longer have the ability to choose without intervention.

No, Sp00k, you are hopelessly uneducated on this subject. And I am, that's the problem. I'm not wrong.
-SW

We can go round and round in circles about that with no result for the remainder of the decade.

fdiron · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2002, 07:23:54 PM »

Drug addicts spend all their money on drugs. When they are fired from their jobs due to poor performance, they resort to crime to pay for drugs. Most addicts dont want to work and live for their next fix. This is just an example of one of the relationships between crime and drug use.

The definition of addiction is -Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance.

However, most doctors and psychologists add that addicitions "ALWAYS have negative consequences".

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2002, 07:27:19 PM »

Theres half your problem. Your reading the wrong Books. Drugs are the same ALL over the world. The people, the drugs, the opinions and the experts. No class structure, no colour, no religious barriers, no age limit and no race limitations. The ultimate equaliser. The US Government, as much as I like you guys can tell me nothing, I cant find here or anywhere else for that matter on Drugs.

So basically, only what you think matters and no one else. I see, that's why you can't accept anything.

All hail TRUE Country Music. Not many true blue Guitar smashing, black clothed wearing, skull and cross boned adorned, make up wearing pansy freakazoids there.

Ah, so you associate wierdos with drugs too. Unfortunately for you, they tend to be sober. And yes, country music singers do drugs to. Alcohol and especially moonshine are drugs.

Really? Why do you think she was taking prescription drugs? (amongst many other things) Did she wake up one day and determine she was addicted to the local GP's magical remedies?Give it some thought SW. The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

She probably got them either from a friend, or got hooked on 'em due to an earlier use of pain killers. I got news for ya, they give you WAY more pain killers than you need when you get your wisdom teeth pulled. It ain't exactly hard to start enjoying them.

Young babies and those not yet born do not LET drugs become addictive. Young kids encouraged and given the opportunity do not LET themselves become addicted.

Been waitin' for this one.... who do you THINK the drug pushers target? It ain't adults, because unless they are already using or have used they will be less receptive. So you still think the "War on Drugs" is the best way? It's practically forcing drugs on our kids, until they can cut the supply (uhm- never), then the pushers will just keep on pushing.

Drugs create chemical imbalances in the body. The brain creates andorphins (sp?) in response to the high. Sooner or later, the High isnt enough and the brain tells the body it wants more. To get more you gotta give it more. Cannabis, Caffeine, Alchohol etc. Give it a name. Its all the same. Theres no letting. Its all in the getting because 9 times outta 10, you no longer have the ability to choose without intervention.

Drugs also create artificial chemicals that the brain receptor uses, you are telling me nothing new here. But there isn't a drug on the face of this planet that will make you addicted right there on the spot. It takes in upwards of 7 uses of the strongest illicit drug out there for you to become addicted. And illicit drugs aren't the only drugs you can become addicted to.
-SW

Sandman · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2002, 07:32:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

then move to Holland

what works there would not work here.

sc-spook knows the criminal side of it much better than your light to medium dope user will ever know it.

There are plenty of people involved with law enforcement in this country that would also disagree with sc-spook.

Morgoth · « **Reply #22 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:01:27 PM »

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Originally posted by fdiron
Drug addicts spend all their money on drugs. When they are fired from their jobs due to poor performance, they resort to crime to pay for drugs. Most addicts dont want to work and live for their next fix. This is just an example of one of the relationships between crime and drug use.

The definition of addiction is -Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance.

However, most doctors and psychologists add that addicitions "ALWAYS have negative consequences".

Since you want to get materialistic:

I am a college graduate.
I own a home.
I have a job.
I have a child.
I pay my bills.
I have a positive balance in my bank.

I smoke pot and have for 20 years.

So much for the quoted theory above. Actually, due to having to buy pot at ridiculous prices, I have no money for government sanctioned alcohol. So, you got me there if you call that a negative consequence. American beer tastes like piss anyway so that's debatable.

I'd poke holes in SC-Sp00k's theory as well but AKSWulfe is already doing an good job.

Morgoth · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:03:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

then move to Holland

what works there would not work here.

sc-spook knows the criminal side of it much better than your light to medium dope user will ever know it.

There are no light to medium dope smokers. We're all fiends that would kill our mothers and sell our children to get our next joint. Just ask fdiron.

Also a bit curious as to where you've received your doctorates in psychology, criminal psychology, economics, and law to be certain that an experiment like Holland's wouldn't work in the US. Hell, the Dutch aren't even sure it's been a good thing in Holland.

Decriminalization of pot in the US isn't a question of if, it's a question of when. The ball is already rolling in several states. Hell, even close allies like the British are conceding it simply isn't fiscally realistic to continue to treat small time pot smokers like murderers and are moving towards decriminalization.

Lastly, regardless of the fact that I disagree w/ my country's idiotic pot laws, I love this place. If I want to see dikes, I'll tune into Queer As Folk.

Eagler · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:16:06 PM »

when ur in the cloud, you don't see the smoke..

maybe one day you'll, maybe not ... ain't no difference to me

Morgoth · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:21:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
when ur in the cloud, you don't see the smoke..

maybe one day you'll, maybe not ... ain't no difference to me

If it made no difference to you, why are you so set in having your will imposed on others via archaic drug laws? Why do you want to continue to see our country's revenue being flushed down a toilet for a program destined to fail?

I'm not angry nor am I trying to flame you; I'm just curious.
Why is it OK for people to drink themselves to death with the US' blessings but it is unacceptable to smoke pot?
Caveat: answering "because it's against the law" isn't a valid response.

Sandman · « **Reply #26 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:22:42 PM »

My vision is crystal clear. My employer frowns on the use of controlled substances and I'm subject to random urinalysis.

batdog · « **Reply #27 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:34:00 PM »

War.... yea right. It aint a war...its more like a "police action". We cant goto the source thus we cant stop it. Its like fighting a defensive "police action" and hoping attrition will win out on our side aka Vietnam. Only the VC are the dealers,suppliers etc and we're hoping that they're motivation, money will go away.

I hate the hard stuff due to what it does... Pot, well Pot is like beer. Hell I bet less people get killed as a result of smoking pot or being around those that do than beer. I mean can you picture abunch of guys doing bong hits saying... hey man..lets go beat someones ass... but first lets stop at Micky D's cause I got the munchies!

Legalise it... make some money off it. Provide it cheap and in a manner that is controled. THEN make the laws for going the black market way simply horrendous.... THEN also allow health care to say,,, if you do the stuff... we aint gonna cover you. That'll make for more BBS material no doubt (Hey isnt that a band?)

Anyway... remember you loved guys... peace out...piss off or whatever.

xBAT

"Spouting more mindless drivel and still unable to spell"

P.S.S. I lost my frigggen frog.

10Bears · « **Reply #28 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:37:26 PM »

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Theres half your problem. Your reading the wrong Books. Drugs are the same ALL over the world. The people, the drugs, the opinions and the experts. No class structure, no colour, no religious barriers, no age limit and no race limitations. The ultimate equaliser. The US Government, as much as I like you guys can tell me nothing, I cant find here or anywhere else for that matter on Drugs.

Yeah Spook, what kind of crazy society would we have without class structure color and religious barriers, age limits and race limitations? I’m with you all the way bro.

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All hail TRUE Country Music. Not many true blue Guitar smashing, black clothed wearing, skull and cross boned adorned, make up wearing pansy freakazoids there

There you go, hey I’m a big fan of Merl Haggard and Patsy Kline... Aw C’mon, don’t ya wanna give Johnnie Cash a pass?

Eagler · « **Reply #29 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:37:36 PM »

Why is it OK for people to drink themselves to death with the US' blessings but it is unacceptable to smoke pot?

who said it was?

"because it's against the law" isn't a valid response

yep, that's about it in a nutshell. just wonder how those of you with kids explain that smoking dope is "ok" but not stealing or any other law breaking activity, how about speeding?

I'm tired of these half way attempts. if the battle against drugs is a "war" we should fight it as such. if we turned our military against the drug traffic, taking it into their countries, we would not have the issue as the oz of dope you can now afford would be so expense, many would have to quit.

try it sober for 6 months, if you can<-bet you can't, you may even like it