Author Topic: War on Drugs (Read 3302 times)

Sandman · « **on:** July 31, 2002, 01:24:19 PM »

Anyone see the show on ABC last night...

Yeah... I know, it's slanted to the left but there were many valid points...

http://abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/stossel_drugs_020730.html

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2002, 01:29:42 PM »

Most people who read threads like these know my stance...

However, I can't get past the fact that the peeps in charge of this so-called "Drug War" don't understand that drugs and crime aren't necessarily related.

Of course, in this situation they can be linked... drugs harder to get = drug abusers going that extra distance to get their fix. Crime tends to be the result, so you'd think they'd realise that... but they are tards.
-SW

Udie · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2002, 02:07:19 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Most people who read threads like these know my stance...

However, I can't get past the fact that the peeps in charge of this so-called "Drug War" don't understand that drugs and crime aren't necessarily related.

Of course, in this situation they can be linked... drugs harder to get = drug abusers going that extra distance to get their fix. Crime tends to be the result, so you'd think they'd realise that... but they are tards.
-SW

Especially after that little experiment with prohibition of alcohol 80 years ago.

miko2d · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2002, 02:15:33 PM »

I think he was not thorough enough - saying that that number of users could admittedly go up once cheap clean regulated drugs are sold like tobacco and alcohol.

While no one knows what would really happen to the number of users, a really strong case can be made that it will go down as there will be no "forbidden fruit" attraction and most importantly there will be no highly motivated pushers coming individually after the children to hook them up.

miko

Nifty · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2002, 02:38:26 PM »

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"We in America should have a different approach," explains Hutchinson. "You do not win in these efforts by giving in."

True, but sometimes you cause far less damage by giving in than by continuing the fight and still losing in the end. Imagine if the Japanese had still not surrendered even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Eagler · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2002, 03:21:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty

True, but sometimes you cause far less damage by giving in than by continuing the fight and still losing in the end. Imagine if the Japanese had still not surrendered even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

it would have cost us two more A-bombs

don't kid yourself, drugs do cause crime. Just because at the neighborhood level you don't see it, doesn't mean it ain't happening further up the chain...

Sandman · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2002, 03:28:08 PM »

The point of the article was that drug prohibition creates more crime than the drugs themselves.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2002, 03:42:40 PM »

define drugs

cafeine,
nicotine,
alchohol,
anti-depressants ?

all these cause crime eh?

and how about the guy that grows his own ?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2002, 05:10:34 PM »

don't kid yourself, drugs do cause crime. Just because at the neighborhood level you don't see it, doesn't mean it ain't happening further up the chain... [/QUOTE]

Drugs cause crime because the government lets 'em. By creating an environment where abusers have to use shady back door shenanigans to get their fix, this allows an easy money making form of revenue for organized crime.

You'll never cut the demand for drugs unless you brain wash people. Therefore you will never cut supply because where there's demand someone will find a way to supply it... and it's usually gonna be already hardened criminals.
-SW

Thrawn · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2002, 05:18:25 PM »

Drugs don't cause crime, people cause crime.

And remember, "When you outlaw drugs, only outlaws will have drugs."

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2002, 05:21:12 PM »

No way the USA will legalize drugs. Hell, we have damn near criminalized tobacco... next?...McDonald's

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2002, 05:37:19 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
However, I can't get past the fact that the peeps in charge of this so-called "Drug War" don't understand that drugs and crime aren't necessarily related.

Is this the most ridiculous statement I have ever to read on this BBS? And thats saying something!

Enlighten me further please. (Self Edited) You must be living on a different planet than I am and you obviously have absolutely no clue as to what your talking about.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 31, 2002, 05:45:53 PM »

I have a much better clue than you do Spook, you just can't see it because you don't want to.

The current policy is what causes the so-called "drug related crimes", not the drugs or the abusers/users. If you allow a market place for drugs to exist, and it's a very lucrative form of revenue, then SOMEONE is going to play the part of the supplier. It ain't gonna be an honest businessman either- it's gonna be criminals. This is what the current policy on drugs, or "War on Drugs", does and has actually created.

You can't get rid of the demand, of course you can jail them all but then you make hardened criminals. It's simply avoiding the problem, the easiest solution is the best right? Not at all.
-SW

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #13 on:** July 31, 2002, 06:14:44 PM »

Where do you stop? Do you advocate a free market? Cause the black market will always undercut the trade market.

Do you propose Age restrictions enforceable by a law much similar to the laws you have now? Noone under the age of 18 or 21 allowed? Cause you have 12 year olds out there already in the thousands shooting Tawny port into their veins, sniffing glue and popping aspirins.

Will you increase the cost to an overburdened Health Care budget to support the increase in Drug related illnesses cause anyone can do it now, including the Cab driver who takes you to work each day and drops your kid off at school. Or will the new Law be enough to stop him?

Will the suppliers simply disappear and move out of a lucrative Gazillion dollar business cause its no fun anymore as its legal?
Where are they going to put all those resources now? Guns? White collar crime? Donations to the Girl Scout cookie raffle?

No SW. You have absolutely no clue. You pot heads think you know the Drug Culture. You think you know how these people think cause you smoke up a bowl of mull and you feel breezy and listen to your Bob Marley CD's.

Tell that to the 5 year old girl, who's mother Overdosed on pain killers last week. Who's father I arrested only yesterday in a drug induced state where he couldnt even tell me where his daughter currently was. (I found her 6 hours later in another Druggie home being looked after by a Zombie. She is now removed from that waste of space).

I've got 13 years of stories for you on why we should fight drugs at every turn. Hell I'll even renew my AH subscription for a year, not to fly but to simply ensure you and others hear the other side as often and as loudly as I can proclaim it. I may never convince you but I wont let you and others tell people who have no idea that what your advocating in any way shape or form can be a good thing.

You and others live in a fantasy world, you have ABSOLUTELY no clue and you are 100% WRONG.

Sandman · « **Reply #14 on:** July 31, 2002, 06:21:57 PM »

According to the report last night. Holland allows recreational use of marijuana.

Funny thing is... drug use by teenagers in Holland is less than U.S. per capita, crime is lower than U.S. too.

SC-Spook you don't know what will happen if the U.S. changed the laws. Fact is, neither do we, but I'm willing to give it a try and see. I believe that the cure for drug use in this society is worse than the disease itself.

It's a belief. It's not fact. Hell... we might be wrong, but I'd bet not.