Author Topic: kidnapped CA girls,their dates just let it happen? (Read 1807 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #90 on:** August 06, 2002, 01:50:15 PM »

Sandman seems to think the drug war is caused by law enforcement. After all if there was no enforcement there'd be no drug war right???

Perhaps the problem just MIGHT be the people who are using the drugs. Ya thnk they just might be a bit irresponsible in stealing, robbing, killing just so they could satisfy the selfish "urge" to enjoy the drug of their choice and be a burden on society???? Nah that COULDN'T be it.

It's not the "drug war" that's the problem. It's those that feel they have the right to do what the hell they damn well please and are willing to take any action they can to get what they want. It isn't all related to drugs either, it can be simple greed or a general lack of learning how to be a responsible person.

BTW Sandman, those that I helped put away in the so called "drug war" were not simple "users" who didn't bother people. They were societal predators who actually hurt people. You are welcome to your preconcieved notions however, whether they are natural or chemically induced.

For those who advocate the use of drugs for "recreational" putproses. At what age should you give your son or daughter their first joint? Their first hit of cocaine? Thier first speedball, heroin skinpop or mainline? I'm curious as I figure you'd raise your children to emulate your behavior.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #91 on:** August 06, 2002, 02:33:30 PM »

If I ate a hippie that had just smoked a joint would I get stoned?

gofaster · « **Reply #92 on:** August 06, 2002, 02:38:32 PM »

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Originally posted by mauser
Just saw an interview on tv of one of the girls. Wow the two girls were very brave for trying to get loose. They even tried to stab him in the throat. Unfortunately the blade didn't go deep enough or hit the right place (she mentioned stabbing him at the place where you take a pulse.. she pointed at the side of the adams apple).

That's what's wrong with youth today. Limited knowledge of the human body, but they probably know all the words to both of Pink's hit songs.

gofaster · « **Reply #93 on:** August 06, 2002, 02:39:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
If I ate a hippie that had just smoked a joint would I get stoned?

Yes, by the villagers who would yell "Cannibal!" at you as they threw rocks at you and chased you out of town.

gofaster · « **Reply #94 on:** August 06, 2002, 02:44:23 PM »

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Originally posted by hblair
He taped up the first guy, then the second car just happened to pull up, then he tied up that guy. Easy to second guess from our PC, having a gun pointed at your head by a crazy man is very coersive.

Maybe he wasn't the one doing the taping. All he had to do was point the gun at the girl and tell her to tape him up.

Now shut up and get in the car!

john9001 · « **Reply #95 on:** August 06, 2002, 04:31:31 PM »

the scene: late night at a lovers lane, a young couple is sitting in a car, a badguy approches car yanks door open.

BADGUY:: "gimme your girlfriend, punk"

GIRLFRIEND:: "EEEEEK"

BOYFRIEND:: <>

BADGUY:: " AARRRRGGH....damm NRA"

Sandman · « **Reply #96 on:** August 06, 2002, 05:45:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Sandman seems to think the drug war is caused by law enforcement.

Why should law enforcement want the drug war to stop? There's profit in it.

Maverick · « **Reply #97 on:** August 06, 2002, 06:31:52 PM »

Sandman,

In my own Department we had about 550 to 600 commisioned personell. That's all ranks from the Chief on down to the last rookie Patrolman. This was a department that served a base population of about 750,000 with an increase to about 1.2Million plus when the snow birds arrive. Figure it out, that means less than one commissioned Cop (all ranks not just the ones that work the street) per thousand population. When you figure the ratio of street Cops per thousand it's significantly less, at least a third and I'm being concervative.

Out of that department only about 20 commisioned (including the obligatory admin supervisors Lt's and above who do NOT do any enforcement duties) were involved in Narcotics. They also had to work other tasks such as Vice. Now that brings the total force in the "drug war" you are obsessed about to less than 3% of the force. Hardly a significant part of the budget and this is in a city on the main pipeline for narcotics of all types into the country.

To counter that, the majority of crimes against property, read burglary, theft, auto theft and simple robbery are due to those who commit those crimes to feed their freaking selfish desire to get more drugs. A significant amount of the crimes against people are due to the inability of people to handle their interpersonal relations while under the influence of one substance or another (including alcohol and prescription drugs). Add to this, the ones that drive under the influence and it gets worse. The last year I worked there was an average of 10,000 traffic accidents per year in the city limits. These were the ones that a report was generated on by an Officer responding.

Frankly with all this crap going on, the "drug war" as you put, it is a pretty paltry factor in street law enforcement. In other words, those actually dedicated to your "drug war" aren't much more than a drop in the bucket out of law enforcement. Some "profit" huh.

Maverick · « **Reply #98 on:** August 06, 2002, 06:33:39 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster

Yes, by the villagers who would yell "Cannibal!" at you as they threw rocks at you and chased you out of town.

Who said elfinwolf ate a dead hippy. Perhaps the result would only be a really happy hippy.

Kieran · « **Reply #99 on:** August 06, 2002, 08:50:58 PM »

Score two for Maverick! When I read Sandman's last post, thought of ol' Mav... gotta say,

Ouch, Elf, that's gonna leave a mark!

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #100 on:** August 06, 2002, 08:59:41 PM »

Kieran, if ya dish it out ya gotta be able to take it. Anyway it made me laugh.

easymo · « **Reply #101 on:** August 07, 2002, 12:55:30 AM »

Maverick. I am curious how many class 1 felonies, a cop feels, a guy should get. Before they throw away the key.

Maverick · « **Reply #102 on:** August 07, 2002, 01:47:17 PM »

Easymo,

I am not familiar with what you mean as "class 1 felony".

In any case, taking a blind stab at this. In some cases one felony is plenty. I happen to take a real dim view of child molestors, child killers and those who assault kids. Not talking spanking here for those wh jump to conclusions. I mean those who just get their jollies hurting kids.

If it's a crime against property I take a much more lenient view. Lopping off the dominant hand comes to mind.

Seriously, it depends n what you mean by that felony level. I have to say in a fair number of homicides it's a one time deal and not much likelyhood of recidivism. As it is now, given the rate of convictions for criminals the norm is a fair number of offenses before incarceration. Not just a one time crime but a string of several before they are caught.

After a while you tend to want to smack flies with a hammer after seeing the same thing being done by the same offender. The number of victims gets pretty large in the case of most felons, particularly in property crimes. Perspective is a hard thing to maintain.

Did this answer your question?

Here is a quandry. What do you do with a career criminal that is a juvinile? Think I'm kidding?? Nope. One made the news in Tucson the other week. He was on his 5th felony arrest. They others ranged from autotheft, burglary, sexual assault and an aggravated assault. The latest arrest was for attempted murder. Here is the real kicker. He's only 10, according to the news story I heard on TV. Haven't seen anything else but I only see the papers infrequently since I'm out of town most of the time.

Punishment is a real heavy item. I think that most cops just look at it in one way. What will keep the offender from hurting anyone else? Protecting the victims is the primary goal.

Nifty · « **Reply #103 on:** August 07, 2002, 02:32:58 PM »

that 10 yr kid should be in official custody (juve hall, whatever) until he's 18. At that time, see if he's fit to be released into society. If not, throw him in prison until he is. If never, so be it.

hmm... a lot of good this registering of sex offenders is doing.

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/080702/Local/ST009.shtml

Two of the local news briefs today were registered sex offenders arrested for more sexual crimes. One allegedly raped a 19 year old and the other fondled a 12 year old girl in a K-Mart.

Kieran · « **Reply #104 on:** August 07, 2002, 03:12:42 PM »

The answer is obvious- you cut the cancer out before it destroys the body.