Author Topic: DH100 Vampire (Read 651 times)

sutpid · « **on:** August 06, 2002, 04:55:51 PM »

262 needs something to fight. here it is DH100 Vampire.
Length 9,37 m ; 30,82 Ft
Height 2,69 m ; 8,85 Ft
Wingspan 11,58 m ; 38,09 Ft
Wing Area 24,34 sq m ; 29,11 sq Yds
Engine 1 De Havilland Goblin 3 turbojet (1520 Kg/s)
Weapons 4 20mm cannons ; up to 908 Kg of bombs & rockets
Empty Weight 3304 Kg ; 7294 Lbs
Max Weight 5260 Kg ; 11611 Lbs
Top Speed 882 Km/h ; 548 MpH
Ceiling 13000 m ; 42763,16 ft
Range 1963 Km ; 1220 mi
First flight 20th September 1943
N° built 3746
Versions built 19
Used by n° countries 26
Crew 1

SELECTOR · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2002, 05:02:12 PM »

i would like to have a jet to fly against 262 but the fact is the vampire was not in active service during WWII..now there were some other LW jets that flew so i think they would be more welcome...the one with the jet on its back comes to mind... someone will undoubtebly post a pic below (plz)..

vampire one of my all time favorites...just love them 40s 50s jets..

HFMudd · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2002, 05:48:30 PM »

From this page.

gatso · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2002, 07:01:42 PM »

Already got one.

Mine

And the pic is of a T.55, not produced till the late 40's/early 50's.

Spider crab, original name for the vampire actually had it's first flight before the Meteor on 20th September 1943. Unfortunately De Havilland at Hatfield were too busy making the Mosquito for this new 'wonder plane' to get high priority so initial production and development was slow.

The damn thing is pretty crap all round anyway. No way I'd want to fight a 262 in it.

Gatso

sutpid · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2002, 07:22:03 PM »

well what bout the g-41meteor
.Length 13,59 m ; 44,7 Ft
Height 3,96 m ; 13,03 Ft
Wingspan 11,33 m ; 37,27 Ft
Wing Area 32,51 sq m ; 38,89 sq Yds
Engine 2 Rolls-Royce Derwent 8 turbojets (1588 Kg/s)
Weapons 4x20mm cannons
Empty Weight 4865 Kg ; 10740 Lbs
Max Weight 7120 Kg ; 15717 Lbs
Top Speed 953 Km/h ; 592 MpH
Ceiling 13410 m ; 44111,84 ft
Range 1110 Km ; 690 mi
First flight 5th March 1943
N° built 3875
Versions built 26
Used by n° countries 14
Crew 1

gatso · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2002, 07:23:39 PM »

Thought I'd better expand on 'pretty crap'

Figures in sutpid's original post look like a T.11/T.55 trainer (the figure of 3746 looks about right. Total production broke 10,000 if I remember correctly) .

The F.1 had the original goblin 2 engine giving no more than 3,100lbs thrust. Top speed was around 540mph although it took an age to get there. It also had a very nasty tendancy to get itself into unrecoverable spins because of insufficient rudder/elevator area. (My uncle had to eject out of one because of this).

1st production aircraft was delivered on the 20th April 1945 BTW.

Meteor III a much more capable aircraft, and it was at least shooting at stuff, even if nothing was shooting at it by the time the war finished.

Gatso

brady · « **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2002, 07:42:38 PM »

I am prety shure the only Jet left to model that would be worth the effort, and be worthy of inclushion,is the He 162, called by Capt. Erick Brown, the best gun platform of all the WW2 jets he flew.

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** August 06, 2002, 08:50:29 PM »

brady,

The Meteor Mk III makes more sense than the He162. It saw more service and action than did the He162.

That said, I think that both would be nice eventually, but for now I think we have enough jet/rocket wonder weapons.

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2002, 09:31:40 PM »

True Karnak, but they saw no action aganst live targets and their preformance was not all that hot, The He 162 is a much better plane for adation for a number of reasions.

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2002, 09:43:37 PM »

brady,

They attacked manned ground positions and I recall a mention of a dogfight with Fw190s that resulted in no kills on either side.

Yes, the He162 is better, but so what? Its German and we already have three German super weapons (though the Ar234 needs a serious, serious look at, and revision of, its role and place in AH). The Meteor Mk III was Me262 hunting in the final months of the European war, but there simply weren't many Me262s flying and they never encountered each other. The Meteor Mk III would be a very, very good thing to have for the "end war, super plane" scenarios that currently just end up being Me262s zooming hither and theither while P-51Ds, Spitfire Mk XIVs and Tempest MK Vs twitch around like sticks in the mud.

The fact is that had the Me262 ever been as common as it is in those scenarios the Meteor Mk III would have seen gobs of jet vs. jet combat against it.

It is true that the Me262 will have the edge, and by a good margin, but at least the Meteor Mk III doesn't suffer prop drag to stop it from bouncing a 262 like the Spit XIV and P-51D do, and it has 40-50mph on those prop fighters

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:11:24 PM »

All right Karnak,draws line in the sand, and says He 162:)

Aside from all the logical reasions I think the He 162 should be added(not that I realy feal it is neaded or a priourity) I like it better:)

And I like to fly planes that handel well, and the He 162 by all acounts was a good gun platform.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2002, 02:29:32 AM »

Meteor III should be next late war aircraft. It's the natural adversary to the Me262 as Karnak point's out.

But before we see that I'd like to see the Stuka, Tu-2, T-34 and some more early-mid war VVS fighters. That would be nice.

whgates3 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2002, 03:12:59 AM »

If the Meteor would qualify for AH, then maybe the P-80 would as well. The USAAF took it's 1st delivery of P-80a A/C (not experimental XP-80s, but the real operational jet fighters) in Feb '45.
From http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p80.html:

"The first P-80A was accepted by the AAF in February of 1945, and the last was delivered in December 1946."

&

"44-83028 and 83029 were shipped to the Mediterranean. They flew some operational sorties, but they never encountered any enemy aircraft. They were both returned to the USA after the war."

...its not the Shooting Star's fault the krauts were afraid of it...

whgates3 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2002, 03:28:16 AM »

brady · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2002, 04:30:32 AM »

While it is clear that the Me 262 saw combat, and that the Me 163 did, it was in service and operational in 1944, and that the Ar 234 certanialy saw service. the adation of these planes was never a questionable one, and they are certainaly a blast to fly, and worth the mony I think*. The Allied Jets are a debatable mater, the Metieour did see far more use than any of the others operated on the allied side, howeaver her performance was not eactly steller, so how can we say that the real advesary of the 262 was the Brit jet when in fact it was those allied planes that actualy engaged it, the one's with prop's....

The He 162 was in service, did see combat( in the east and west), and did get kills. IMO it is now the last of the truly viable wounder weapons, the maned one's at least, (other than the baka, or a katien, maybe)

* The Ar 234 is a wounderfull plane and one of my all time favoate planes in AH. Howeaver with the new bomb sight using it effectavel as modeled is a bit of a problem, I hope HTC see's fit to add a Dive bomb sight for her.