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whgates3 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 08, 2002, 03:08:52 AM »

the P-80 killed a lot of test pilots - does that count?

Heinkel · « **Reply #31 on:** August 08, 2002, 02:27:30 PM »

IMO, the 162 is the only other choice if we are adding a Jet plane. It's was basically the only other jet plane to see a fair amount of air to air comabt.

Just a few things:

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The Meteor Mk III was Me262 hunting in the final months of the European war,

The really means nothing. The RAF could have sent up Spit 1's and GLadaitors and said "look, we are 262 hunting!!" point being, if there are no 262's...it doesn't matter.

Meteor saw no Air 2 Air combat, making it hard to model IMO. It's hard to know how a plane preformed, when it never faced other planes. When doing normal flying, you aren't going to push a plane to it's limits, when you are being attacked by an enemy, and trying to be killed, I think you will...at least I would. The ture abailtys of this plane are unknow as far as I am concerned due to it not having any air 2 air combat.

gatso · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2002, 04:17:04 PM »

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Meteor saw no Air 2 Air combat, making it hard to model IMO

You think HT models planes on pilot stories of how they pulled such and such manouver and then shot down such and such plane by pulling 12g's at 450mph? Thats what performance charts are for. Hard data does not come from combat situations.

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When doing normal flying, you aren't going to push a plane to it's limits

...But when validating the airframe you do. you think they did'nt bother to test these things before they shipped them off to the front line?

There's no technical reason and I'm sure there's no lack of data. If there is I know a few researchers that spend lots of time in the central records office in london (where all the declassified military documents are kept). Sure they can dig up all the paperwork and specs you want.

Unfortunately I have a feeling that the Meteor is going to fall into the same category as the B-29 and be quite near the bottom of a very long list... I'm not holding my breath.

Gatso

Heinkel · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2002, 04:25:23 PM »

What is Aces High all about? Air to Air combat. Why add a plane that saw none? I am not saying that we 100% absolutly need He162. IMO, after we get Ki84, Ki44, some VVS planes, some planes from Italy, LW, VVS, and Jap. Heavy bomber(s), then possibly another Jet.

gatso · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2002, 04:35:36 PM »

The Meteor shot down quite a few V1's... how is this not A2A combat. I'm no expert but from other posts people have said it shot at stuff over europe during the late war.. is this not combat also?

I would be delighted if HTC decided to add it but as i said there is loads of stuff I suspect is on the list before it. It only comes in 10th or so on my own personal list of stuff I'd like to see. We don't need a 162... It doesn't do any job better than anything we've got and it doesn't round out the plane set in any area IMHO.

Gatso

Heinkel · « **Reply #35 on:** August 08, 2002, 05:25:05 PM »

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The Meteor shot down quite a few V1's... how is this not A2A combat

A2A combat is plane vs plane. Not plane vs. big target flying level and straight. I do agree, we really dont need 162, but we dont need metor either. I would like to see 162 though.

gatso · « **Reply #36 on:** August 08, 2002, 05:52:51 PM »

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I do agree, we really dont need 162......

I would like to see 162 though

I have soooooo many aircraft that fit into this category

I guess we all have our favourites, just keep all respective fingers crossed that mine/yours will be first.

Gatso

Wotan · « **Reply #37 on:** August 08, 2002, 05:57:20 PM »

we dont need anymore jets but the 162 is the only other jet that is credited with kills. All the others are fantasy what ifs.

udet · « **Reply #38 on:** August 08, 2002, 08:20:34 PM »

hey, how about that rocket plane in Il2-I've never heard of it till i saw it in the game. Seems infinitely inferior to the Me163 but has longer endurance.Fun to have a dogfight between those and 262s.

Karnak · « **Reply #39 on:** August 08, 2002, 08:42:18 PM »

Heinkel,

You are the first person I have ever seen describe the V-1 as a "big target"

The things were quite small and difficult to hit.

As I recall, the Mereor Mk III did have a fight against some Fw190s with no kills on either side.

All this is entirely moot in any case as HTC decides what to add, not us.

(I seem to recall Pyro or HiTech saying the Meteor would be added eventually.

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gatso · « **Reply #40 on:** August 08, 2002, 08:47:28 PM »

These count as kills? From the 616sqn page:

the remainder of squadron arrived in Holland in 1945 they were tasked with Ground Attack Missions at which they proved highly effective. In the short time that they were operational before the war ended in 1945 they destroyed a great many enemy trucks, trains and aircraft on the ground

Sounds like a pretty good vulcher to me

Gatso