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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2002, 03:09:18 PM »
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No Kieran, that is just conservative spin. "Not doing anything" is relative. Exactly how much did GWB do in the time before 9-11? The attack on the Cole occurred during the Clinton presidency, and if the point is that Bill didn't act decisively enough then what is GWB's excuse? Does it matter that GWB wasn't President when the attack occurred? He had opportunity to take decisive action prior to 9-11.


Hmmm. So what you are suggesting is that a president take action on a specific event that happened years before he took office? There is a window of opportunity on such events, wouldn't you agree?

Next, why would the Bush administration want to utilize a plan created by the Clinton administration- after all, Clinton had been so effective in controlling terrorism. I'm sure the plan included the words "cruise missiles" somewhere, don't you think? Seems to me Bush was using common sense.

I tend to agree with Wlfgng, the people do have to support the president for the most part on actions taken, but here's the difference- Clinton has the audacity now to step up and say he had a plan to end terrorism, except Bush wouldn't do it. That tells me he is pointing a finger at Bush and laying blame for the attack squarely on his shoulders, when Clinton didn't have the guts to do half of what Bush has done so far, much less grab a rifle and jump in a ditch to die defending Israel. More, Clinton didn't do so because he was afraid of the fallout- exactly what he is chastizing Bush for.

I don't know who is the bigger idiot; Clinton, for saying the stupid stuff he does, or anyone that believes any of it.

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2002, 03:13:57 PM »
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No Kieran, that is just conservative spin. "Not doing anything" is relative. Exactly how much did GWB do in the time before 9-11? The attack on the Cole occurred during the Clinton presidency, and if the point is that Bill didn't act decisively enough then what is GWB's excuse? Does it matter that GWB wasn't President when the attack occurred? He had opportunity to take decisive action prior to 9-11.

The point is that it is the public that really decides how much can be done. Neither BillC nor GWB had that kind of support prior to 9-11.


8 months vs 8 YEARS - give me a break, I think the bigger attack was the one on America's economy as the bubble was burstin

willie was too busy trippin over his trousers chasin his oral lovin fat chick to be bothered by much else

he could have popped the tall raghead after the cole or the first attack on the WTC, spun it to fit and make him look like a hero but ... willie was too busy trippin over .....
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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2002, 03:26:26 PM »
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Hmmm. So what you are suggesting is that a president take action on a specific event that happened years before he took office? There is a window of opportunity on such events, wouldn't you agree?
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You left out the second part of my post. If you had quoted it as well I think we are more in agreement than not.
Again neither BillC nor GWB had the support to do what has been done since 9-11. That much is obvious.

I'm not talking about 8yrs vs. 8 months. I'm saying no one made a stink about the lack of response to the Cole until the events of 9-11.

And! GWB had as much time to react to the Cole as BillC. Both did what the public allowed them to do.

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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2002, 03:31:04 PM »
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They Had a Plan (Time.com)

You hear that sucking sound? That's Condaleeza Rice's future...


You're kidding yourself again.

Must be intoxicating to walk the earth with so much wisdom:rolleyes:

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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2002, 03:36:24 PM »
Why is it,

That devout, religious people always seem to have the biggest chip on their sholder? Can you imagine eglet trying to explain the above tirade to God? How can zelots claim to love America when they clearly hate so many Americans?

It took 9/11 to draw backers from around the world to our cause against terrorism. Much less here at home. Do I agree with the decision to wait before 9/11? Doesn't matter, we're in a fight. I support our leadership in this crisis. Anything else would seem un-American. If your trying to spin this conflict for political gain, your hurting our cause. We're a team until this religious war is won.

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2002, 03:55:59 PM »
The February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing that killed six people.

On June 26, 1996, a huge explosion tore apart the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American soldiers living in the military housing complex. The weapon was another very powerful truck bomb — it left a crater four times as deep and three times as wide as the hole created by the bomb that destroyed the federal office building in Oklahoma City. Bin Laden denied any involvement in the attack, but a few months later he publicly declared war on U.S. troops.

On August 23, 1996 Bin Laden issues a fatwah declaring holy war against the United States and calling for attacks on U.S. troops.

On February 23, 1998 Bin Laden issues a fatwah declaring U.S. citizens should be killed anywhere in the world.

On August 7, 1998, a truck bomb destroyed the U.S. Embassy in Kenya. Moments later another truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. Embassy in Tanzania. The bombings killed 213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania.

On October 12, 2000, the U.S. Navy destroyer Cole was attacked by a small boat laden with explosives during a brief refueling stop in the harbor of Aden, Yemen. The suicide terrorist attack killed 17 members of the ship’s crew, wounded 39 others, and seriously damaged the ship.




Yeah, what was that  new Bush guy doing about Bin Laden, anyway?

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2002, 04:57:59 PM »
Good one Toad! Right on!


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[BYou hear that sucking sound? That's Condaleeza Rice's future... [/B]


Oh yeah baby, now that thought gives me a woodrow, getting my knob polished by the National Security Advisor. She's got a nice looking body, think I'll go browse the internet and see what they have on her...

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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2002, 05:15:57 PM »
Interesting Toad

On October 12, 2000, the U.S. Navy destroyer Cole was attacked by a small boat laden with explosives during a brief refueling stop in the harbor of Aden, Yemen. The suicide terrorist attack killed 17 members of the ship’s crew, wounded 39 others, and seriously damaged the ship.

Two months later in Dec 2000 the Clinton administration offered up a plan to the incoming Bush admin to get Bin Laden using special forces.

Jan 2001 the new administration shelved not only the Clinton plan but the Hart/Rudman terrorism report sighting further study.

According to that article the new administration was more interested in  missile defense and getting the tax cut passed.

At the end of the day Sandmans right... 911 could’ve been avoided.

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Condoleeza Rice
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2002, 05:22:34 PM »
I have been searching the last hour for photos of Condoleeza Rice. You know there are few photographs. I also discovered she's in her mid 40s.

There is no fan club either. Well I'm going home now. If anyone finds any Condoleeza photos please post the link. Thanks!

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« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2002, 05:26:26 PM »
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Interesting Toad


At the end of the day Sandmans right... 911 could’ve been avoided.



 You're whoopeeed right it could have,  had you're hero clinton taken one of the 3,  not one, not two but THREE oportunities to have bin laden handed over.

 
 you people are full of toejam.

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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2002, 05:27:29 PM »
Like I said earlier, I don't know who the bigger idiot is; Clinton for saying the stupid things he does, or the person that believes a word he says.

Go right ahead and focus on one point in the "administration" of Clinton, completely ignore its summary failure on terrorism, and lay the blame for 9/11 on the Bush administration- and for the most laughable reason they wouldn't listen to advice from an administration that had only caused an escalation of terrorism. Yup, that's advice I would have taken, too.:rolleyes:

Trouble is, you ought to use your head and look at the whole history and forget about what Clinton says of history. It's amazing how diehard liberals gobble up every word that drops from his lips...

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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2002, 05:40:25 PM »
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At the end of the day Sandmans right... 911 could’ve been avoided.


Absolutely, as Udie so eloquently pointed out.  :D

From February 26, 1993, when until  January 19, 2001 your friend in the White House could have taken action to avoid 9/11.

For example that little offer made by Sudan. The government of Sudan, using a back channel direct from its president to the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States, offered in the early spring of 1996 to arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in custody in Saudi Arabia. Ooopsie! (But go ahead and tell me how Bush was to blame for that one. :) )

And your buddy planned and acted so quickly after the Embassy Bombings! Just three weeks from the bombings to the "Monica Missiles" hitting empty camps in Afghanistan.

You'd think in the three months after the Cole your buddy could have at least launched a few more "Monica Missiles".

Also, perhaps it could have been prevented in many, many ways, not the least of which could have been meaningful security procedures for airports and airlines.. and oft requested thing but studiously ignored by all hands until say..... 9/11.. and which we still don't have (IMO).
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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2002, 05:42:34 PM »
Rogwar, go to Google, select the "images" search and put in her name. Lots of pics.
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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2002, 06:14:08 PM »
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Rogwar, go to Google, select the "images" search and put in her name. Lots of pics.


That was one of the first places I went. Just mainly headshots though. I would like to see a little more detail. Home now. Going for Vietnamese food and then will look more later.

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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2002, 06:27:29 PM »
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there are no doubt 2 or three people who could be assasinated right now... today... and, we would prevent a suitcase nuke from taking out half a major city...  then again... we might just kill em for nothing.   Oh well... I'm sure sandman wouldn't care one way or the other.  let's just do it and if we are wrong so what?
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The case against the Al-Qaeda regarding the Cole attack may not have been as strong as the WTC case, but wasn't it enough?

Eagler, if you think this is a Democrat/Republican thing, you're missing the point.

According to the article our current president and our last president had an opportunity to act and they did not. The Clinton administration did not for political reasons. They thought it would harm Gore's campaign. They also did not wish to hand a war over to the next president. The Bush administration also did not for political reasons. It was a "Clinton proposal."
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