Charlton Heston's speech

[lazs2]

Ok.. I'm a little confused here.   The liberals on this board don't believe in affirmitive action nor do they believe in political correctness .    It appears that they believe in the second amendment.

How do you liberals feel about "hate crimes"?   I mean... are hate crimes only possible iagainst certain groups?   Are other violent crimes considered... ah.. if not love maybe "dispationate"?   Isn't welfare and other government programs a form of "affirmitive action"?    

I think it a little dishonest for you guys to say that lyrics that promoted blowing a cupcake out from under his stolen TV set with a .50 caliber during a riot  is fine with you but that  like "cop killer" you just wouldn't purchase it.   This is basic dishonesty.   You certainly know that the leftist lawyers would attack such a recording and come up with every for of litigation possible to stifle it.   I know you are not so stupid as to think that the two lyrics would be treated the same.        

Apparently... there is nothing in the Heston speech that the liberals (leftists) on this board dissagree with.  

As for the aids thing....  I have hep C.   I tell everyone who may be affected.   There is no known case of it being sexualy transmitted but I tell every future partner.   I would wish the same.   I think that the dental info form that we all fill out in the waiting room should have a lline that says "I wish to be informed if any of the personel involved with my treatment have HIV or aids"  yes or no.  I'm all about choice.
lazs

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Sikboy

people who adopt "anti-heroic" personas for the purpose of entertaining are pretty fun to listen too (or watch).  -Sikboy

So Sikboy, would you please tell the court exactly what was "fun" in the lyrics to Cop Killer?

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Elfenwolf
So Sikboy, would you please tell the court exactly what was "fun" in the lyrics to Cop Killer?

Although I'm not a big fan of that song (due to its unoriginality, any lack of any real storytelling, which was a halmarck NWA , the prototypical gangsta rap ensable) the "Fun" part is this: Many people, my own little white self included, have a part of us that wishes to indulge in our rebelious nature. But because we are so uptight and law abiding, there is NO WAY IN HELL that we could even THINK about knocking over a gas station.  Instead, we indulge this inner desire, by watching "anti-heros" on the big screen, or listening to them in music (Rock and Roll in general seems to me to be founded on rebellion).  I love watching Scarface yell "Say 'ello to my lil friend" and blow the hell outta a room full of people. The final scene in "True Romance" is amazing, when judged by the shear number of projectiles flying. It wasn't the fact that Gangsters were blasting cops that made it so interesting, but rather the genearal lawlessness of it.

-Sikboy

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by lazs2


Apparently... there is nothing in the Heston speech that the liberals (leftists) on this board dissagree with.  

As for the aids thing....  I have hep C.   I tell everyone who may be affected.   There is no known case of it being sexualy transmitted but I tell every future partner.   I would wish the same.   I think that the dental info form that we all fill out in the waiting room should have a lline that says "I wish to be informed if any of the personel involved with my treatment have HIV or aids"  yes or no.  I'm all about choice.
lazs

Lazs, there was nothing in the Heston speech except the same old conservative lament that we're losing our values as a society. Actually on the issues Mister Heston DID raise in support of his lament- the right to know the medical history of his dentist, for instance- I disagree with him and, in fact, have cited my reasons clearly.

Mister Heston's speech was designed to play upon the fears of his constituents in the NRA and generate more donations, first and foremost. In this respect Mister Heston is the best thing that's happened to the NRA and he's worthy of respect as an advocate for their cause. But please, don't take everything a speechwriter writes as gospel truth. The idea is to use inuendo and half truths to inflame the masses into opening their pocket books for more money to "lobby" (read "bribe") the politicans.

Simply because Mister Heston advocates a conservative organization like the NRA rather than a more liberal organization like Planned Parenthood doesn't put him above the emotional blackmail used to generate support for his cause. This is how the game is played so take what you read with a grain of salt.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by lazs2
Ok.. I'm a little confused here.   The liberals on this board don't believe in affirmitive action nor do they believe in political correctness .    It appears that they believe in the second amendment.

While Affimative Action may not be needed to the extent it once was, I think it still has a place in some limited circumstances. And PC while it may have gone too far in many cases has been necessary in changing the mindset of a very biggoted world. I bet you don't think twice when you hear someone described as a "mail carrier" anymore.

How do you liberals feel about "hate crimes"?   I mean... are hate crimes only possible iagainst certain groups?   Are other violent crimes considered... ah.. if not love maybe "dispationate"?   Isn't welfare and other government programs a form of "affirmitive action"?

How do conservatives feel about "hate crimes". I'm pretty sure Liberals are against them.

Hate crimes are those crimes perpetrated against an individual solely due to race, religion, sexual orientation etc.
I suppose that if a Gay man went around killing Hetero men because of their orientation it could be listed as a "hate crime".
   

I think it a little dishonest for you guys to say that lyrics that promoted blowing a cupcake out from under his stolen TV set with a .50 caliber during a riot  is fine with you but that  like "cop killer" you just wouldn't purchase it.   This is basic dishonesty.   You certainly know that the leftist lawyers would attack such a recording and come up with every for of litigation possible to stifle it.   I know you are not so stupid as to think that the two lyrics would be treated the same.

Just as there are Conservatives who would attack "Cop Killer" there will be Liberals attcking the "Riot Song"  (catchy title). Whats hypocritical about that? Are we expected to speak for all Liberals in the Country when we post?        

Apparently... there is nothing in the Heston speech that the liberals (leftists) on this board dissagree with.  

As for the aids thing....  I have hep C.   I tell everyone who may be affected.   There is no known case of it being sexualy transmitted but I tell every future partner.   I would wish the same.   I think that the dental info form that we all fill out in the waiting room should have a lline that says "I wish to be informed if any of the personel involved with my treatment have HIV or aids"  yes or no.  I'm all about choice.
lazs

I have made direct reference to some parts of the speech that I found were less than accurate. I also have no problem with there being a question re. Aids on an admitting form. I would have a problem with any law requiring that there be a question.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Sikboy


Many people, my own little white self included, have a part of us that wishes to indulge in our rebelious nature. But because we are so uptight and law abiding, there is NO WAY IN HELL that we could even THINK about knocking over a gas station.  Instead, we indulge this inner desire, by watching "anti-heros" on the big screen, or listening to them in music (Rock and Roll in general seems to me to be founded on rebellion).  I love watching Scarface yell "Say 'ello to my lil friend" and blow the hell outta a room full of people
-Sikboy

Sikboy, How long have you been obsessed with violence? How many times a day do you think about violence? Are your violent thoughts directed exclusively to authority or are you also violent towards women? How can you guarantee you will never act out your ultra-violent fantasies? What did you think about the character of Patrick Bateman in "American Psycho?"

[Sikboy]

Ever since I was dropped on my head as a child.

-Sikboy

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Ever since I was dropped on my head as a child.

-Sikboy

LOL The prosecution rests. Anyway my wife needs the computer to visit her chat rooms.

[Charon]

I just came across this excellent brief Pauley Shore gave before the Supreme Court on Roe vs Wade. As soon as I get home I'll be sure and dig it up so we can have four pages of debate on the unique perspective he brings to the table.

I also hear Brittney Spears is going to be on Face the Nation this weekend.

Charon

[Sandman]

That was almost funny.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
Ok.. I'm a little confused here.   The liberals on this board don't believe in affirmitive action nor do they believe in political correctness .    It appears that they believe in the second amendment.

Yes... I do believe that we have a second amendment. We can argue about how it is interpreted in another thread.

How do you liberals feel about "hate crimes"?   I mean... are hate crimes only possible iagainst certain groups?   Are other violent crimes considered... ah.. if not love maybe "dispationate"?   Isn't welfare and other government programs a form of "affirmitive action"?    

Hate crime are possible by any group. Certainly, other crimes can be considered dispassionate ones. The bank robber that shoots a guard isn't necessarily committing a hate crime.

Is welfare a form of affirmative action? Good question. Have to think about that one.

I think it a little dishonest for you guys to say that lyrics that promoted blowing a cupcake out from under his stolen TV set with a .50 caliber during a riot  is fine with you but that  like "cop killer" you just wouldn't purchase it.   This is basic dishonesty.   You certainly know that the leftist lawyers would attack such a recording and come up with every for of litigation possible to stifle it.   I know you are not so stupid as to think that the two lyrics would be treated the same.        

Actually, we don't know that. And... I like how you fit that little insult in there. If we disagree, we are stupid?

Apparently... there is nothing in the Heston speech that the liberals (leftists) on this board dissagree with.  

Not true. Read above... SB, MT, EW and I have all pointed at the parts we don't like.

As for the aids thing....  I have hep C.   I tell everyone who may be affected.   There is no known case of it being sexualy transmitted but I tell every future partner.   I would wish the same.   I think that the dental info form that we all fill out in the waiting room should have a lline that says "I wish to be informed if any of the personel involved with my treatment have HIV or aids"  yes or no.  I'm all about choice.
lazs

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
That was almost funny.

It would have been more funny if that dude from that boy band hadn't testified before congress on the evils of mining in Tennessee or whatever it was.  

I remember two years ago today, I was working on a research project for a house staffer  on the Russian Naval Deployment to the Med (Scheduled for Dec 2000) when the Kursk blew up. CNN, in thier wisdom, looked over many very capable experts on the Soviet and Russian Navy, and these submarines in general so that they could interview Tom Clancey and find out what he had to say about it  

-Sikboy

[Kieran]

This same high level of genetic concordance was also seen when the C.D.C. compared viral samples taken from a Florida dentist who died of AIDS with samples taken from five of his patients who tested positive for HIV and who had no HIV risk factors other than multiple visits to the dentist for invasive procedures (39, 40). Two independent research groups reached the same conclusion after examining the HIV gene sequences of these six individuals: the dentist had almost certainly infected his patients in the course of those invasive procedures, although the experts could not say exactly how those infections had occurred (41-44).

Read it for yourself

Well, Elf?

[midnight Target]

Lack of HIV transmission in the practice of a dentist with AIDS. H.W. Jaffe, J.M. McCurdy, M.L. Kalish, et al. Annals of Internal Medicine 121 (December 1, 1994): 855-59.

In a study of the practice of a dentist with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS), no evidence was found of either dentist-to-patient or patient-to-patient transmission of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). The authors studied the practice of a Miami, Florida, dentist with AIDS to determine whether dentist-to-patient or patient-to-patient transmission of HIV had occurred. The dentist acknowledged that he had not followed recommended infection control procedures. Researchers interviewed the dentist's former employees and reviewed the medical records of the dentist and 6,474 of his former patients. Of these patients, 1,279 (19.8 percent) were known to have been tested for HIV infection, and 24 of those (1.9 percent) were HIV positive. Four other patients with HIV infection were identified through case-finding activities. These 28 HIV-positive patients were interviewed, and 19 acknowledged having engaged in drug use or in sexual behaviors that could have resulted in HIV infection. Analysis of genetic sequences from the dentist and 24 of the patients with HIV infection did not indicate that the virus strains were linked.

[Ripsnort]

..148 posts over a Charlie thread? Sheesh!

Back on topic, whether you like him or hate him (for his politics), Charlton is a Damn good American! And Sandman has Charlton mixed up with his own personal politics as usual, as Heston was one that FOUGHT for racial equality.

Growing up hunting, shooting and fishing in the north woods of Michigan, Charlton Heston found in America's outdoors tradition a respect for individual freedom and personal responsibility that would guide him through life. While studying at Northwestern University, he married fellow acting student Lydia Clarke and, after serving three years in the Army Air Corps during World  War II, they moved to New York's theatre district. Since then, Heston has starred in more than 70 motion pictures, nearly as many theatre productions, and innumerable television shows and appearances. Among his many achievements, Heston won an Academy Award for Best Actor in BEN HUR, a second Oscar for the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award, as well as similar international citations, was elected six times as president of the Screen Actors Guild, served as the first Chairman and President of the American Film Institute and authored five books.

Throughout his richly varied and duty-conscious life, Charlton Heston has never shied away from public service. The Michigan actor, conservative spokesman and patriot achieved the rank of Staff Sergeant  with the 11th Air Force during World War II, serving for two years in the Pacific Theatre. In the early  sixties, by then a major star, Heston campaigned for racial equality throughout the Southwest, well before that was a popular stance. In 1963 the noted performer headed a contingent from the arts community for Dr. Martin Luther King's march on Washington, DC, an event that led to the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Later, as president of the Screen Actors Guild, Heston worked once again with Dr. King, helping black Americans gain entry into the Hollywood technical work force.

Heston has lent his time, talent and energy to a number of federal agencies including the USIA and the Departments of Energy and Agriculture. He's done chores for every branch of the armed services, films for a variety of governmental departments and, in 1982, traveled to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to film a documentary designed to wage war against agricultural failure and the resulting famine.

In 1984, the tireless activist went to Ethiopia on behalf of the Red Cross, where he reported on the
political and economic impact of widespread famine. Heston also visited Afghanistan guerilla camps to see for himself how Afghan freedom fighters were faring in their struggle against Soviet aggression.
He remains a strong voice in behalf of NATO, and has traveled to France, Belgium and Germany on assignment for the multi-national defense organization.

In 1981, Heston was named co-chairman of President Ronald Reagan's Task Force on the Arts and Humanities. The following year he was in Mexico City for the State Department as an observer at
the UNESCO Conference on the arts. Heston has served as the official US delegate to numerous film festivals and undertaken assignments to cultural embassies in England, Egypt, Nigeria, Australia and West Berlin. The widely traveled film star has been a member of the National Council on the Arts, and was the first chairman and president of the American Film Institute.

In recent years, Heston has been no less active on the stage and screen, starring in the 1996 feature film ALASKA, giving an acclaimed performance as the Player King in Kenneth Branagh's HAMLET,
and performing with his wife, Lydia, in LOVE LETTERS, a two-person romantic comedy that's been
among the couple's favorites for years.

In 1997 Heston was a recipient of the prestigious Kennedy Center Honors for lifetime achievement in
the performing arts, one of just 105 individuals ever to receive, as the national cultural center describes it, "America's equivalent of a knighthood in Britain, or the French Legion of Honor, the quintessential reward for a lifetime's endeavor."

Charlton Heston's impact on the American political scene has been as powerful as his undeniable film  presence. Heston often has testified before state agencies and congressional committees and he       remains a tireless and feared campaigner for those who share his political philosophy. He currently
serves as President of the National Rifle Association.

Charlton and Lydia Heston live a busy but informal life on a ridge in Beverly Hills that Heston       describes as "a modest home attached to my wife's state of the art photographic studio." Lydia's career  as a photographer is burgeoning, with several exhibitions scheduled. Charlton Heston has two books planned for this year.

Among Mr. Heston’s memorable film roles are The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, El Cid, Touch of
Evil, The Naked Jungle, The Greatest Story Ever Told, Planet of the Apes, Will Penny, The          Hawaiians, Earthquake, The Battle of Midway, Antony & Cleopatra, Omega Man, Skyjacked, The
Mountain Men, Mother Lode, Treasure Island, Tombstone and the upcoming Town & Country.