Author Topic: Charlton Heston's speech (Read 4670 times)

Wotan · « **Reply #105 on:** August 11, 2002, 04:18:57 PM »

not quite elfie

there have been cases where people caught aids and died from dentist. The most famous 1 i believe the dentist purposely infected a child.

But sharp needles and and instruments and cuts in the mouth not matter how small you claim the risk to be dont I have right to know that risk? or if it puts my child at risk?

its like your going to a chiropractor to have your neck cracked.

They stick and cut ya.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #106 on:** August 11, 2002, 05:07:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
not quite elfie

there have been cases where people caught aids and died from dentist. The most famous 1 i believe the dentist purposely infected a child.

But sharp needles and and instruments and cuts in the mouth not matter how small you claim the risk to be dont I have right to know that risk? or if it puts my child at risk?

its like your going to a chiropractor to have your neck cracked.

They stick and cut ya.

Uh...If the patient bleeds then that's OK- it's if the dentist bleeds it too could be cause for concern.

Seriously tho Wotan, if the dentist deliberately infected someone with HIV then don't you see the difference between accidental infection and a planned murder? All this tells me is that AIDS can kill people. Now how many dental patients have contracted HIV due to dentists' visits- taking away the one premedated murder of the child you mentioned?

Hortlund · « **Reply #107 on:** August 11, 2002, 05:09:21 PM »

Maybe you missed my question...

Elf, retorics aside. Do you agree that it should be my choice?

Wotan · « **Reply #108 on:** August 11, 2002, 05:23:17 PM »

dont i have the right to decide whether to take the risk?

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Uh...If the patient bleeds then that's OK- it's if the dentist bleeds it too could be cause for concern.

no toejam elfie thats why i mentioned sharp stuff

he could slip sneeze whatever and cut himself. Then what? I go home have sex with the wife she gets pregnant we all end up hiv family.

You think hes gonna wake ya up and tell he just infected ya with aids? or let ya leave hoping you dont test positive for years and wont remember that trip to the dentist?

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #109 on:** August 11, 2002, 05:29:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Maybe you missed my question...

Elf, retorics aside. Do you agree that it should be my choice?

Steve, assuming there has never been a case of accidental HIV transmission from a dentist to a patient then no, it's none of your business rather a dentist has HIV, Diabetes, Gout or whatever. I could make the arguement that a dentist who suffered an epeleptic seizure in med school should disclose that information to his patients before a HIV-positive dentist should as a potential seizure while he's drilling in my teeth is a more real threat than catching HIV is.

However, you have the right to ask your dentist whatever you want. Just don't expect the American Dental Association to demand its membership expose which communicable diseases they may be carrying.

Kieran · « **Reply #110 on:** August 11, 2002, 06:37:39 PM »

Elf, can't remember her name, but yes, there have been accidental HIV cases from dentist to patient contact. One particular clinic had multiple incidents, IIRC. It was about 5-10 years ago, and the woman has since died... may have to dig that up.

Weazel-

So much venom, so little time...

Wotan · « **Reply #111 on:** August 11, 2002, 07:13:03 PM »

kieran is correct look at the quote midnight commie posted

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In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs - the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not….need not. . . .tell their patients that they are infected.

so the several deaths are less important then the human rights burdens on HCWs (Health Care Workers).

I contend that I should be the one making that descion whether it hurts the feelings of a aids infected dentist and even if it causes him/her to loose buisness.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #112 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:57:11 AM »

I searched the Internet for info on this and basically there's been one case where a dentist transmitted HIV to a patient, and even that one is dubious. I found lots of sites from dentists guaranteeing they don't have HIV though, so I'm sure the free enterprise system will provide any who want with HIV-free dentists. There has to be a transfer of blood to catch HIV (just like Hepatitis) and the odds of that happening are extremely remote, given the guidelines enacted in dental care for patient (and doctor's) safety.

So- basically the idea you can catch AIDS from your dentist is a myth. And so, asuming in the absence of information to the contrary other than MT's alcohol-sodden recolection of several people getting HIV from their dentists, I repeat- No, I don't believe a dentist, doctor, butcher or short order fry cook should have to disclose what diseases he/she may or may not have unless it poses a risk to your health. The ironic thing is that you stand a lot better chance of catching some fatal disease from a short order fry cook than you do from a dentist. Think about THAT next time you enjoy a Grand Slam Breakfast at Denny's.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #113 on:** August 12, 2002, 01:26:34 AM »

Ya know I'm tired tonight so I went to bed, closed my eyes and was drifting off to dreamland when a sudden thought jarred me instantly awake- Am I being trolled here? You guys seriously believe there's even the remotest of chances you could get HIV from your dental hygenist?? Sheeesh, my dentist dresses like a combination bee keeper- arc welder. She's been doing my teeth for six years now and I have no idea what color her hair is, what she looks like without the mask and face shield and in fact I wouldn't recognize her if I saw her on the street.

Steve, how can you say "rhetorics aside?" This whole issue was raised by Charlton Heston's speech and his speeches are full of rhetoric, as are all peoples' in the public limelight. But yes- rheteroic aside, your risk is so miniscule as to be acceptable. In fact the odds are ten thousand times greater that a plane will land on your house tonight rather you than contract HIV through a dental visit. Sweet dreams.

Hortlund · « **Reply #114 on:** August 12, 2002, 02:36:25 AM »

Elf, do you agree with the following statements?

1) HIV is a fatal decease to which science has no cure.

2) Science does not know all the possible ways HIV spreads between individuals. (For example, it is known that the HIV virus is present in an infected persons saliva, but there is no confirmed cases of the infection spreading through an exchange of saliva). One of the known ways the decease spreads between individuals is by blood.

3) In a normal dental procedure, there is no transfer of blood between the patient and the dentist.

4) In case of an accident, there is a risk of blood being transfered between the patient and the dentist.

5) In case of such an accident as described under 4), the risk of the patient getting infected by HIV is greater if the dentist is HIV postive than if he is not.

Creamo · « **Reply #115 on:** August 12, 2002, 03:44:18 AM »

Great thread.

Elfenwolf- Blah, blah

Hortlund -Blah, blah

Sandmamm- Blah, blah, I Like Hilary

Hortland- Blah, blah

Sandmamm-Blah, blah , Creamo’s a meaney, Im right then, see?!

Hortland -Blah, blah

Shukins- By the way, Ted Nugent is an idiot. We can both agree on that.

Mietla –(Add good short meaningful point here)

It's as absurd as Shukins arguing with Uncle Ted, a bonified rock star and business millionaire about being a idiot.

Carry on, but it has lost any point yesterday.

Toad · « **Reply #116 on:** August 12, 2002, 07:31:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The entire argument about the 2nd Amendment only exists because it's so poorly written. If it weren't, we wouldn't need "scholars" to understand it. We also wouldn't need the NRA.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Yes, that's sooooooooooo confusing.

midnight Target · « **Reply #117 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:02:51 AM »

from Wotang:

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kieran is correct look at the quote midnight commie posted

LOL, that quote was from Hestons speech....

Masherbrum · « **Reply #118 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:10:18 AM »

And people wonder why I don't vote for Republicans and Democrats. Each party wants the bigger knife.

Masher

lazs2 · « **Reply #119 on:** August 12, 2002, 08:53:54 AM »

so sandman and tahgut.... why is it ok, free speech wise, to have lyrics like cop killer because you are "angry" about some feelings they have but it is criminal and not free speech to use words like cupcake or studmuffingot (if you are white or hetro) when you are angry about certain behaviors of some black people or homosexuals? Oops... is "black people" ok anymore? I heard "mellinan superior" was the new term but it's all so confusing. Would you oppose lyrics that promoted "kill all the cupcake rioters" if the white guy could prove the injustice of having his property burned or that he was angry?

Charleton Heston is one of the clearest thinkers I have ever heard. I would not like to argue with him. I think why tahgut and sndman hate his speech is a combination of.... they are trained to hate it because of their leftist suport system.... peer pressure and .... like all lefties.... a basic dishonesty. some of the more moronic lefties lack the common sense gene but I don't think this is the case with them.
lazs