More reparation nonsense

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


So we pay every black american for a few that had this happened to? Sounds reasonable...not.

Few? Not few! Many many living today had to deal with the lingering effects of the slave trade and racism stemming from that trade.

Rep. Conyers would like a study done on the effects Slavery has had on the Black population of the United States. Why would this bill be repeatedly ignored for 23 years?

Where are the reparations for the thousands who lost homes and businesses in Tulsa?

What about the thousands who couldn't attend a decent college or a decent high school for that matter?

What about the thousands who were denied employment simply because their skin was dark.

What about the thousands who were denied the right to vote through "poll taxes", Grandfather clauses, literacy tests...etc.

You can try to compare the Black experience in America to any other race and your comparison will be found wanting. To this day we haven't made the full transition to a color blind nation. You can tell by the posts on this thread.

[Wotan]

why you read the link sandman posted in the 1st thread

Blacks Rally for Slave Reparations
Sat Aug 17, 8:06 PM ET
By JANELLE CARTER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Hundreds of blacks rallied in front of the Capitol on Saturday to demand slavery reparations, saying that compensation is long overdue for the ills of that institution.

"It seems that America owes black people a lot for what we have endured," Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan told the crowd. "We cannot settle for some little jive token. We need millions of acres of land that black people can build."

I read nothing in there about burmuda canada france or spain.

You are off topic. My post speaks directly to the call for reparations in America. I dont care what burmuda does or the rest of the slave trading nations. Thats the responsibility of their citizens.

So this thread is about US government reparations to black americans and yes I dont give a fuc what bermuda does or any of the rest. Those descisions are made by its citizens. Thats the sameway a feel about how state governments run themselves here in the us.

Unlike some I dont think its my place to tell others how they should run their nations when it has no impact of how I live my life.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Wotan
Unlike some I dont think its my place to tell others how they should run their nations when it has no impact of how I live my life.

That's because the members of other nations don't air their national issues on this bbs.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Wotan
You are off topic. My post speaks directly to the call for reparations in America. I dont care what burmuda does or the rest of the slave trading nations. Thats the responsibility of their citizens.

So this thread is about US government reparations to black americans and yes I dont give a fuc what bermuda does or any of the rest. Those descisions are made by its citizens. Thats the sameway a feel about how state governments run themselves here in the us.

Unlike some I dont think its my place to tell others how they should run their nations when it has no impact of how I live my life.

ummm..Wotan...if America takes a stance on reparations it is quite likely that the rest of the world will follow its example.  Therefore it is ENTIRELY relevant to me what happens in the United States.  I don't give a diddly what you think either...but, if the US moves the rest of the world moves with it and I have a right to express my point of view.

Also...please capitalise Bermuda when you write it...it shows common respect.

[Wotan]

repect burmuda for what?

Heres your posts

Sue the British?

I think you will find that the British were the ones who "came around" on the whole slavery issue and actually sent warships to the African coast to destroy the slave factories and the slave trade. It was the Spanish, Dutch and Portugese that kept it up until the very end.

I'm not saying that the British were angels...far from it...but point all your fingers where they should be pointed...not just one.

I told you I was speaking about US reparations to black americans and suggested the british bare the responsiblity for slaves in America.

You reply with this

Wotan...this isn't just about the United States..it is about world-wide reparations. The blacks in Bermuda are calling for reparations just as loudly as the blacks in the US.

I then tell you my post is only directed at US reparations. I dont care if the rest of the world follows the US thats up to the rest of the world.

Thrawn replies.

Oh that's typical. The topic of the tread is "More repartation nonsense". Not "More reparation nonsense in the US". Curval's post is related. But hey if your post isn't about the US, I guess you can fek off, eh?

Again I point out my replies relate only to US reparations and show him how on topic my post was.

If you dont like it dont read it.

The majority of people who post here are from the US. I didnt start this thread. If you want to start a thread about Canadian politics/social problems go ahead. I wont read it or reply because I dont care. Its up to canadians to decide how to govern themselves.

[Thrawn]

It's also up to Canadians (and Burmudans) what they post on this bbs, isnt' it.  .

[Creto]

No we shouldn't pay every Black American. Attacking Farakhan is just too easy in this case. There are issues here that deserve our time and that is the real agenda.

WE?  I would like to know what YOU are willing to do.  How much money do YOU have to give away?  Dig deep buddy if YOU are that concerned.  Step up to the plate and set that example show us what YOU got.  Invite them poor slaves in your home give those poor slaves home.  Co-sign a loan maybe.  Send one thier children through college or just give a percentage of YOUR check.  Just for once do something for someone and quit draggin WE into it.  Why are YOU always waiting for WE?

Oh, and take YOUR agenda and stick where the sun don't shine.

WE?  think again, unless of course you're talking to that mouse in your pocket.

[Sabre]

To this day we haven't made the full transition to a color blind nation. You can tell by the posts on this thread.

This is the trump card (albeit spoken in deceptively soft tones) always played by the self-appointed black leadership in this country when faced with logic and reason.  "Disagree with my cause and you're a racist."  You're arguments seem to hinge on a number of dubious assumption.  First, that racism itself is a result of slavery.  Second, that all or even a majority of black Americans have suffered and continue to suffer significant disadvantages, the causes of which can be directly traced to the practice of slavery in this country.  And finally, that that the effects of that racism have effected Blacks to a significantly larger degree than any other minority group.  

I say again, this country has done a great deal to try to eradicate racism of all people from all causes.  It's not perfect, because the nation is made up by a collection of individuals with free agency to think as they choose.  But we've come a long way, and continue to strive to make the American Dream accessable to everyone.  All reparations would do is make the receivers into victims dependent on the government, and the payers resentful for being forced to pay for a crime none now living are guilty of.

What exactly will reparations do to further the cause of a "color-blnd nation?"  What form should they take?  How much will be enough?  Who should pay, and to whom?  As you ponder all these questions, go back and reflect again on why reparations have been paid in the past, and to whom.  The precedents just don't apply to the situation of slavery in America, not now.  You can't quantify "the lingering effects of slavery," or even point to it for certain as the cause of economic oppression for a minority of a minority.

[Wotan]

oh it certainly is?

where did I say they couldnt?

You 2 came to me with this "you're only worried about the US"

I never told you to but out or said anything about your replies except when directed at me.

If you 2 are concerned over the issue because you feel the rest of the world will follow the us well then express it. But dont tell me I should care what any other country does when it has 0 effect on me.

The link sandman posted was a story about black americans in the US capital protesting for reparations to be paid by the US government.

[Curval]

Did you read my last post Wotan...you obviously read the part about respect (and showed that you deserve very little), but blantantly ignored the rest, which was discussing WHY my posts have been on topic.

Again...the ramifications of a US decision on reparations will likely impact the rest of the world.  It is relevant to me what happens in the US.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Wotan
oh it certainly is?

where did I say they couldnt?

You 2 came to me with this "you're only worried about the US"

I never told you to but out or said anything about your replies except when directed at me.

If you 2 are concerned over the issue because you feel the rest of the world will follow the us well then express it. But dont tell me I should care what any other country does when it has 0 effect on me.

The link sandman posted was a story about black americans in the US capital protesting for reparations to be paid by the US government.

Actually I replied directly to you when you blamed Britain for slavery in the US...which is PATENTLY frigging WRONG.  You started this "I don't care about anyone else" crap.

Point out where I said that you should actually care what other countries think..I merely suggested that it is a world-wide issue.

[GRUNHERZ]

How about reparaitons to women who could not legaly vote until the 1920s?

How about reparations to the Irish?

How about reparations to the Italians?

How about reparations to gays?

[Wotan]

ummm..Wotan...if America takes a stance on reparations it is quite likely that the rest of the world will follow its example.

Thats up to the rest of the world.

Therefore it is ENTIRELY relevant to me what happens in the United States.

Good for you. Where did I say anythoing about it not being relevant to you. I believe what I said was, whatever burmuda or any country does thats up to them and wont effect me. I am only interested in what my country will do because it will effect me.

I don't give a diddly what you think either...

you keep replying.....

but, if the US moves the rest of the world moves with it and I have a right to express my point of view.

Also...please capitalise Bermuda when you write it...it shows common respect.

Ill refer you to my last post.

the english brought slaves with them to Jamestown. Thats as correct as it can be.

[Cobra]

Uhmm, MT, this country has already paid untold billions towards reperations.  It didn't take the form of a lump sump direct kick-back.

Johnson's Great Society was not cheap and it was meant to help mend the wrongs that were done that some folks (Farakhan, Sharpton, Jackson, whose agenda is to keep the pot stirred) want a direct payment for today.

His Great Society initiative cost this country an incredibly huge some of money, and it was for the right reasons.  To come back today and say "We owe African Americans because of slavery" is to ignore all the progress and money spent to date on institutional changes, not one-time lump sump pay-off.

And vast amounts of moneys are still being spent today on some of these initiatives.  Affirmative Action is a case in point.  HUD is also an example.

That's where the REAL changes are made, not in this ransom demand.  Because that change can be applied across ALL ethnic groups, not just a single one, or would that NOT fit into someone's agenda?

That money does come from you and me, the taxpayer.  We already have paid (Great Society) and are paying reperations.  When is that going to be recognized as such and utilized?  

Cobra

Again, aside from that, personally, if someone wants to donate another portion of their check (aside from the fed. taxes already taken out) then please do so quietly and voluntarily.  I won't mind.  If Thrawn hates it so much, pony up and pay without being forced to.

If it is Federal money to be spent, what of the taxes paid by African-Americans...they are paying themselves in effect aren't they?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Creto



WE?  I would like to know what YOU are willing to do.  How much money do YOU have to give away?  Dig deep buddy if YOU are that concerned.  Step up to the plate and set that example show us what YOU got.  Invite them poor slaves in your home give those poor slaves home.  Co-sign a loan maybe.  Send one thier children through college or just give a percentage of YOUR check.  Just for once do something for someone and quit draggin WE into it.  Why are YOU always waiting for WE?

Oh, and take YOUR agenda and stick where the sun don't shine.

WE?  think again, unless of course you're talking to that mouse in your pocket.

I have Creto... LOL.