Author Topic: More reparation nonsense (Read 3344 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:06:49 AM »

it was dying as I watched. Most whites were ignoring it because it was clumsy and... they were actually embarassed by it. Television was coming of age and kids growing up didn't want to be associated with their parents ideas. They wanted to be more "hollywood". This was before any march. In any case.. you couldn't see much from your foggy little isle anyway.
lazs

Eagler · « **Reply #61 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:12:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
20 white guys argee, black americans should not get reperations.

The best is Hortlund though. White Swede, at one with the african-american way of life.

And Kieran, you got your land, it's called a reservation.

I'm all for slavery reparations. We went to their lands and stole them away from their family and friends. I say our "slavery reparations" is a one way ticket back to the land of plenty- mother Africa, complete with tigers and lions & a funny looking green, red and black striped hat.

get a life, get a job and stop looking for a hand out!

midnight Target · « **Reply #62 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:15:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

and that would be related to slavery ...how? [/B]

You're joking right? You certainly must be intelligent enough to see a connection between the Jim Crow laws of the 50's and 60's and the continuing racism in this country with the ONLY race to be held as slaves.

Like I said. You can't give reparations to former slaves. You can give reparations to those who were harmed by racist laws and institutions. What about the thousands who were unable to attend a State University in the South? Or were effectively barred from home ownership due to laws on the books supporting segregation?

Thrawn · « **Reply #63 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:18:55 AM »

"In any case.. you couldn't see much from your foggy little isle anyway. "

Is this representitive of the the type of education people recieve in the south?

Canada isn't an island. What's more it isn't small either, as it's the second largest country in the world. But I wouldn't expect a Mexican to know that.

Edit: It seems that some people are forgetting that it's not the black peoples fault they were made slaves. It's not like the slave owners are blameless here. Nor the governments, institutions and companies that supported and profitted by slavery.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #64 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:19:33 AM »

I think the problem would be solved with "Volunteer White man-Guilt-Complex" Americans can step forward and start a fund for the reparations. Then they can divide the money up after a few years.

I was not voting when those laws were in force. Don't take MY money for it.

Curval · « **Reply #65 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:21:11 AM »

I say figure out what we owe and to whom (although this is such a ridiculous impossible task). Then friggin pay it. Then the old "poor me" mentaility might disappear once and for all.

and by the way...this white boy is gonna make some money from this event...I will invest in gold just prior to the payments being made...'cause gold chains are going to be in real short supply afterwards.

midnight Target · « **Reply #66 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:24:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I think the problem would be solved with "Volunteer White man-Guilt-Complex" Americans can step forward and start a fund for the reparations. Then they can divide the money up after a few years.

I was not voting when those laws were in force. Don't take MY money for it.

So you think we shouldn't have paid the Japanese for the internment camps either? You weren't around for that.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #67 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:35:24 AM »

Nope. That was opening up Pandora's box.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #68 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:40:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
You look at the deplorable conditions African Americans have had to endure throught their American history from the past to the present and it's no wonder they're pissed. They've been kept "on the plantation" for over 400 years now, and at some point we have to admit our failings and offer the olive branch of financial restitution to African Americans.

Admitting to the horrible conditions of their ancestors, the poorest Americans, African ancestry or not, are much better off than the average inhabitant of the Ivory Coast, Congo, or Nigeria.

Our ancestors of whatever heritage built a better life for us, and 500,000 Americans (of the 15 million that existed) lost their lives in our bloodiest war. What of their contribution toward "reparations" to the African race.

If we were to vote for reparations, what portion should go to Blacks of mixed ancestry? Should a 17/32 black get a 17/32 share? That brings up a whole new can of worms...

And what of the majority (I assume) of Americans of a more recent heritage? Should someone whose family arrived in the mass influx of Europeans thru Ellis island pay nothing, or a lesser share than one who can directly trace a branch of their family to a plantation owner?

And what if someone can trace their ancestry to the slave revolt of Spartucus? Does Italy owe them? Will Egypt pay the Jews for Moses?

Just a few things to think about...

LePaul · « **Reply #69 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:42:44 AM »

I'm curious

Do the family members for former Nazi's get free college in Germany?

God knows, with the way minorities cry here in the USA, they'd be a shoe-in for oddles for grant money here. Those poor, misunderstand and victimized minorities, you know....

Hey Farakahn, go to a few mass Civil War burial grounds and yell to the graves what you feel you are "owed" They fought for your rights.

midnight Target · « **Reply #70 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:51:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nope. That was opening up Pandora's box.

No it didn't!

We have a long history of trying to right wrongs through reparations. (Look at the Indian reservations)

I suggest we all look at what happened to the "financially well to do" Blacks in Tulsa in 1921. An entire community was wiped out! all lost homes, businesses and lives. Yes many are still alive who remember.

gofaster · « **Reply #71 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:57:55 AM »

Here, I'll make it easy. Just fill in the blanks and I'll be right over to claim my land.

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IN AND FOR THE COURT OF ENGLAND, OR OTHER TRIBUNAL SO OTHERWISE ESTABLISHED

COMES NOW...the Claimaint, GoFaster, being of Scottish heritage, and having a residence in a former colony of England and current independent nation of the United States of America, to make the following Claims:

Claim One: That his great-grandfather, GreatGranPa GoFaster, was subjected to the moral crime of political and religious persecution by the British government and the British government-endorsed Church of England, and such moral crime bearing no statute of limitations due to the fact that, during the temporal period of the moral crime, it was not a crime recognized by the British government, but was otherwise a crime against morality.

Claim Two: That his great-grandfater, GreatGranPa GoFaster, sought refuge from political and religious persecution so described in Claim One above, and did emigrate from Scotland to the former English colony and current independent nation of the United States of America.

Claim Three: That due to the religious persecution so mentioned in Claim One, that GreatGranPa GoFaster, and his heirs, descendents, and other beings lawfully entitled to proceeds of the GoFaster estate, were wrongfully denied ownership of their land, property, and other chattel, and were rendered to a state of poverty prior to emigration from the great nation of Scotland.

WHEREFORE the Claimant, GoFaster, seeks awards for damages regarding losses incurred by said actions of the nation of England, in an amount to be determined to be the equivalent of GreatGranPa GoFaster's farm, with the calculated increases to wealth and property so determined by calculating the average increase in wealth for the great nation of Scotland.

WHEREFORE the Claimant, GoFaster, further seeks restoration of citizenship to the Crown, with the rights, privileges, and benefits entitled thereupon, including the right to bear royal title.

SO ORDERED AND DECREED THIS ________ Day of _________ by the ORDER of THE HONORABLE __________________________ .

Ripsnort · « **Reply #72 on:** August 19, 2002, 09:59:19 AM »

Time of war. Safety of the American public was the concept. It was wrong, but it was a knee jerk reaction. We didn't burn them, torture them. I worked with a Japanese intern from 1987 to 1990 (when he retired), he said because of pride of always being able to take care of themselves without Gov't hand outs(reparations) they turned down the (I think $25,000 check?) from the Gov't. Even though he's Japanese, he joked "We dun need no steek'in handouts". I admired that man. Worked for everything he got.

midnight Target · « **Reply #73 on:** August 19, 2002, 10:00:29 AM »

A little History:

Forty acres and a mule. The original reparations package.

On Jan. 16, 1865, four days after meeting with black ministers in Savannah, Ga., Gen. William T. Sherman issued Special Field Order No. 15. Thousands and thousands of newly liberated slaves were fleeing plantations and following his Union Army through Georgia. This was becoming a problem.

So with the War Department's blessing, Sherman set aside land along the Georgia and South Carolina coasts for black settlement. Each family was to receive 40 acres, and Sherman later offered the loan of Army mules. Word of this deal spread throughout the South, and within six months 40,000 freed blacks had settled on hundreds of thousands of acres of land.

Several months later Congress passed a bill establishing the Freedmen's Bureau to oversee the transition of blacks from slavery to freedom. The bureau had under its control 850,000 acres of abandoned and confiscated land, and it had men such as Gen. Rufus Saxton, a former abolitionist who was committed to creating a class of black landowners. But that summer President Andrew Johnson began allowing former Confederates to reclaim their property.

This would become history's pattern in succeeding decades: As blacks sought to obtain their due, every small advance, it seemed, was trumped by a setback. Lawmakers such as Rep. Thaddeus Stevens introduced reparations bills in Congress in 1866 and 1867. No luck. In 1915, Cornelius Jones sued the U.S. government, arguing that it had profited from slave labor through a federal tax on cotton. Since the slaves had never been paid, Jones calculated they were owed $68 million.

Thrawn · « **Reply #74 on:** August 19, 2002, 10:01:08 AM »

Seems like alot of people are against reparations, because it would be too much work involved in figuring out who is owed what? Do believe that justice should be strived for as long as it is easy and dropped when it seems like there is going some difficulty?