Author Topic: How our war hawks avoided military service  (Read 782 times)

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
sand

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2002, 10:17:10 AM »
Is it me, or was that story leaning to the left? :D

Offline Frodo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7473
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2002, 10:21:29 AM »
Rip you lean so far to the right  that I bet your knuckles on your right hand are raw,and the left hand is shiny and new.:p

Frodo


JG11 

TEAMWORK IS ESSENTIAL....IT GIVES THE ENEMY SOMEONE ELSE TO SHOOT AT.

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2002, 10:22:22 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Is it me, or was that story leaning to the left? :D


Mebbe a little bit... :)
sand

Offline midnight Target

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15114
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2002, 10:27:16 AM »
Seems even handed to me.


Quote
Consider Washington's two most prominent superhawks: Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy) and his adviser Richard Perle. Who's Who in America is curiously vague about their precise whereabouts in the late 1960s, though it is fairly clear where they were not. As the shrewd and sceptical Republican senator Chuck Hagel said last week: "Maybe Mr Perle would like to be in the first wave of those who go into Baghdad."

The two Democrat leaders in Congress, Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle, served; their Republican counterparts, Trent Lott and Dick Armey, did not. Tom DeLay, the most powerful hawk in the House of Representatives, missed Vietnam too: he was working as a pest exterminator. Reportedly, he once complained that he would have served; but, he said, all the places were taken up by ethnic minorities.

There are similar stories about almost every other prominent rightwing Republican of recent vintage. Newt Gingrich, ex-Speaker of the House, went the Cheney route; Kenneth Starr, Clinton's legal nemesis, had psoriasis; Jack Kemp, Dole's running mate in 1996, was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years; Pat Buchanan had arthritis in his knees, though he soon became an avid jogger.

The best story concerns Rush Limbaugh, the ferociously bellicose radio personality, who allegedly had either "anal cysts" or an "ingrown hair follicle on his bottom". It is not my custom to mock others' ailments, but anyone who has listened to Limbaugh's programme can imagine the dripping scorn he would bring to the revelation that a prominent Democrat had skipped a war over something like that. Also, in his case, a pain in the arse is peculiarly appropriate.


:D

Offline gofaster

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6622
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2002, 10:35:41 AM »
"Jack Kemp, Dole's running mate in 1996, was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years; Pat Buchanan had arthritis in his knees, though he soon became an avid jogger. "

This is grossly misleading.

NFL quarterbacks can get away with having bad knees because they do so little running.  Look at Joe Namath.  Look at John Elway (who is/was missing a tendon!).  Lean over, take a three-step drop, throw.  Scrambling five yards is different than running over a wall with 15 pounds of gear strapped to your back.  I sure wouldn't want Namath or Elway covering me as I made my dash to a pillbox.

As for the arthritic knee thing, it is possible to jog on bad knees, and exercise has been proven to help the arthritic condition so long as the person starts out slowly and increases the stress slowly.  Even though it won't cure the disease, it will increase the range of motion and manipulation of the affected joint.  Jogging in t-shirt and shorts at a 15-minute mile pace is a lot different than humping in-country wearing combat boots with a rifle and steel helmet.

Combat training is much more rigorous and demanding on the body than any, and I mean ANY, athletic event other than maybe an epic adventure race such as the Eco-Challenge, and even then, those athletes eat a lot better than soldiers in the field.

Obviously, the writer (a) never served in the military (which he admits) and (b) doesn't participate in endurance sports.

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2002, 10:41:37 AM »
And Dick Armey is against Iraqi invasion - so he should not be listed among "hawks" making impresion that militarism is strictly determined by party lines.

 miko

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2002, 10:46:09 AM »
Yeah, Viet Nam was such a patriotic war for us too (rolls eyes), however, I do have alot of respect for the men that went without question, served our country(Even Al, although thats the only respect I'd give him)

As to the non-participants, and the deserters, can ya blame them? A war started by Kennedy, and profited by the Johnsons?

Offline midnight Target

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15114
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2002, 10:50:05 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, Viet Nam was such a patriotic war for us too (rolls eyes), however, I do have alot of respect for the men that went without question, served our country(Even Al, although thats the only respect I'd give him)

As to the non-participants, and the deserters, can ya blame them? A war started by Kennedy, and profited by the Johnsons?


Profited by the Johnsons? Huh? Please do go on sir.

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2002, 10:55:44 AM »
May have been urban legend, but I believe Lady Bird Johnson had a very large stock option in companies that produced war materials for the USA. (Shrugs)

Offline Kieran

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4119
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2002, 11:00:51 AM »
You guys can't be missing the obvious; that is, democrats are using this tact to discredit republican efforts to continue the war on terrorism by going into Iraq. Smear the enemies to get results..

Offline Masherbrum

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 22416
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2002, 11:05:09 AM »
That's why I don't vote for either party now.  

Karaya2
FSO Squad 412th FNVG
http://worldfamousfridaynighters.com/
Co-Founder of DFC

Offline KG45

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 435
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2002, 11:09:18 AM »
dam them libruls fer usin' smear tactics! we all know them there republicans would never stoop to such a thang! :rolleyes:
all you fascists, you're bound to lose...

Offline Kieran

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4119
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2002, 11:10:55 AM »
Uh, KG45? Point to where I said only one side does this?

Offline Furious

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3243
How our war hawks avoided military service
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2002, 11:16:45 AM »
Quote
You guys can't be missing the obvious; that is, democrats are using this tact to discredit republican efforts to continue the war on terrorism by going into Iraq. Smear the enemies to get results..

christ, you talk a lot of toejam.

if there is a war on, and you are elegible and called on and don't go...

then you are a piece of toejam not fit to serve our country in any form.  a republican coward is just as gutless as a democratic coward.  if you are a pacifist, put on a medics uniform.

blinders keep the horse from being frightened by the pretty machines, why do you wear yours?

and now for some angst directed at the board in general.  this demo vs. rep crap is soooo very tiresome.  do you folks truly believe and live by all the toejam you profess in the name of a "left" or a "right"?  if so, i guess politics has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses.