Why fly perk planes?

[J_A_B]

I guess they ARE pointless if you're looking for a secret, dweeby advantage over everyone else.

if you just take one up for jollies though they can be quite fun.

J_A_B

[Innominate]

Originally posted by J_A_B
I guess they ARE pointless if you're looking for a secret, dweeby advantage over everyone else.

if you just take one up for jollies though they can be quite fun.

J_A_B

I don't see how a perk plane could ever be as dweeby as an la7, spit9, or n1k2.  Especially since earning perks in those planes is next to impossible.

Am I wrong that the perk system supposed to be an incentive to fly early war planes?  Or is it there to stop people from using late war planes?  Or some combonation of the two?  As it stands now, all it does is stop most people from flying them.  The spit14, and f4u4 see virtually no use.

I have over 3000 perks because there is no fun in being chased by a half a dozen p51d's and la7s everywhere I fly them.

And yes, perk planes rule, if a friendly field is being hit and you want to pull a few of the attackers into a long chase.

[Wotan]

theres no incentive to do anything.

All planes earn perk points for kills. eny values have been adjusted numerous times not to encourage early war planes but to reward those who fly umm. Most people could give a damn  about perk planes and they fly whatever they want.

You havent seen dweebery until you seen the chog unperked. That plane got the near 20% of the kills in ah. HT perked because it became unbalancing. I never cared one way or another about the chog being perked but it made for better gameply. La7s arent no where near what the chog was. What do you think will happen if they unperk the tempest or f4u-4.

Spit 9 dweeby? get out of here the spit 9 is slow as hell and a 1942 plane. Its easy enough to kill or escape from. Niki? slow as hell aswell.

With all them planes chasing (which is an exageration on your part) make fer ez kills.

Take a tempest through a furball a few times and you will see that flown right it dont matter how many planes are chasing you they are nothing but fodder.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by Wotan

All planes earn perk points for kills. eny values have been adjusted numerous times not to encourage early war planes but to reward those who fly umm. Most people could give a damn  about perk planes and they fly whatever they want.

Take a tempest through a furball a few times and you will see that flown right it dont matter how many planes are chasing you they are nothing but fodder.

Did I say anything about unperking anything?  I believe I said quite clearly that, all of the perk planes need to be perked.

This is exactly my point.  They're supposed to be a reward, but they're not.  Most people dont care, because the perk planes aren't worth using.  I'm sure to a fighter pilot whos been playing x years can easily make mincemeat out of x attempted gangbangers.  But that doesnt mean that the rest of us can easily deal with being gangbanged in any plane.

Just because you're good enough that something is easy, doesnt mean the rest of us are.  As many are quick to point out, the pilot matters a lot more than the plane.  

If the perk planes are going to keep thier gangbang tags, then all of the free planes should have the exact model displayed.  (i.e. Spit9)

[Karnak]

The gangbang tags are what keep me out of perk planes.  Even if I were good enough to survive the gangbang, which I'm not, I still wouldn't fly them as they aren't fun.

Then again, if I were that good it might be fun.

Wotan,

Stop bragging.  You know damn well that most people can't hope to get 10-15 perk points per flight.  All you're doing in every thread you type that in is bragging.

The average player gets about a 1/1 K/D ratio.  I do better than that when I am not Jaboing.  I can count on one hand the number of times I've won 10 or more perk points for a mission.

You're just using these threads as a forum to tout your skills.  Well, very good.  Your way above average, probably in the top percent or two.  I'm probably in the 50-75% category.

Even then it isn't about the perk icons.  Price them at a tenth of their current value and I'll still not fly them often (I'd be lying if I said my usage wouldn't increase dramatically though), the perk icon takes the fun out of it for the vast majority of us who are more or less average.

Take away the gangbang icon and triple the perk price.  That'd be fine by me and would dramatically increase my usage of perk planes.  They'd be fun to use and actually feel like a reward worth buying.

[Urchin]

I don't think he is really bragging.  Maybe it is just the planes we fly.  If I land a 5 kill sortie in a 190A-5, that will usually be around 10 to 15 perks.  It is more if they were all Spitfires and La-7s, and less if they were all goons .  

But it really isn't that hard to get perk points.  I do agree that flying the perk planes is a waste of time, since all you do is call attention to yourself.  You have to either fly like the biggest wimp ever, or fly in a huge crowd of friendlies, niether of which is very fun.  Plus since 99% of the action takes place below 8k, you can get perk plane performance just by using the La-7.

I think it'd be nice if the F4U4 and Spit XIV just read "F4U" and "Spit"- that way you'd have to be a little more careful when attacking the other F4Us and Spits.  Plus you wouldnt instantly call every La-7, P-51, and Tiffie out when you see them.  The Ta-152 I could care less about, it'd be worthless even with a generic "190" tag.  All people would say was "Gee, that 190 was so much more easy than normal to kill"  .

[Karnak]

Urchin,

Keep in mind that I don't exactly fly a low ENY aircraft either. Its not like I spend my time in Spitfire MK IXs, P-51Ds, La-7s and N1K2-Js.  I fly Mosquitoes mostly. True, the Mossie may be harder to get multi kill sorties with and then land them in, but it gets nicely rewarded for the kills it does get.

[J_A_B]

"that way you'd have to be a little more careful when attacking the other F4Us and Spits"

That's exactly why the perk planes need the separate ID's....so we don't have to treat every Spit/F4U/whatever as if it's a potential perkplane.  

I always did like and still DO like the idea of the perk planes (all  planes actually) having the "generic" ID tag at long range, switching to the "specific" at short range (about 1500 or so).  This would permit a perk plane some degree of movement in a crowd while still permitting its opponents to properly tulips the threat.  

What do you guys who want the "perk tags" removed think of something like that?  

J_A_B

[Innominate]

Originally posted by J_A_B


What do you guys who want the "perk tags" removed think of something like that?  

J_A_B

The same argument applies already.  When you run into a spit, you need to treat it as a spit9, that can turn like a spit5.  Or the 109f vs 109g, etc.

I have no problem with any specific tag system, provided it's consistant.  If a perk plane's tags show up at d1500, the same should apply to the 109s, 190s, spits, etc.  I really prefer the idea of having to treat everything like it's dangerous, rather than assuming "oo easy kill".

[Mark Luper]

I really find it interesting to know that some guys have anywhere from 3000 to 7000 perk points. It only shows me how really bad I am. The most perk points I have ever accumulated since alpha testing this sim is 600! The most perks I ever got for one sortie was 10 and the most kills I ever got in one sortie was 7, but that was before perk points .

[Red Tail 444]

Perk planes are NOT all superior, the hog-4 is the 4th fastest, 4th best climiber (all from different A/C at different speeds. Add to that the "here I am, gang-rape me" tag sucks as well. Give some skill to all of us and make us get in close to determine which 109, 190, pony, jug, spit, or hog we're about to dance with. Works for me!

"Flying like a wimp" is good SA IMO, and I think if we really only had one life  to deal with we would all be flying with a fair amount of virtual urine in our shorts (myself included). Those of us that Fly SEA know the deal. One-life events rule!

Since I do fly corsairs mostly I always have to be  on the lookout for getting jumped by some dude who assumes all hogs are easy kills (and thanks by the way LOL), and I admit, if I were in a hog-4 and some poor bastage assumes I am in a Delta...sucks to be you, but thats life. Don't rush in and maybe you'll become better overall. As for perks, as long as I have 50+ I'm good, and if not, I take a hog-1 (which is my first choice bird), loaded Delta Hog, F4f, Fm2, P-51c, zeke, or 205 and get them back over a short time. easy enough.

Respectfully, All this stuff about "flying like a wimp" makes no sense, when those of us who never really had to do this in RL can talk this type of bologna. I try to fly and land every sortie and sometimes knowing when to run like hell is not wimpish, it's smart

Gainsie

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by J_A_B

What do you guys who want the "perk tags" removed think of something like that?  
J_A_B

Forgot to add....great idea, but lower it to D-800, or force the player to make a visual confirmation his/herself.

Oh, one more thing...
UNPERK ME!    (flame retardant suit...ON!)

[Modas]

IMO, the perk points are useless (to me anyways).  I get a great deal more satisfaction smoking a superior a/c with an inferior one.  The fact that I get a ton of perkies  for doing it is inconsequential.  I don't take up perk planes cuz just about the time I get off the runway I CTD and I don't get to use them anyway.

[Wotan]

bs karnak i fly an a5 g6 or g2 3 or 4 kills = 10 to 15 perks. That aint braggin.

Gangbang tags? get out here. These are just whines from folks who are afraid to get shot down.

A 262, temp, f4u-4, spit 14 and 152 if flown correctly need not worry about planes chasing you. Thats a fact.

70 perks arent hard to earn if you care about flying a perk plane. If you dont care about them then it doesnt matter.

Flying perk planes arent a reward for anything.

But constant whining about how much they cost is bs. You as a player can fly planes that allow you to accumulate perk points faster then the late warbirds.

reducing the perk values only catters to guys who fly the late war planes.

And what the hell do you mean the plane aint  worth their perk value?

Perk points arent gold to be horded.

Sounds like the idiot who was whining about how c47s were trying to ram his 262. "They were out to get my perk plane".

None of this is braggin karnak. Braggin would be stating the number of times I scored over 50 perks per sortie.  

Or when brady got near 85.

I am the worst player in my squad and am at best average.

If you hold on to perks afraid to use them because bad guys will try to shoot you down then theres no sense in you worrying about perk points they are of no value.

The perk system works the way its supposed to.

[Modas]

Originally posted by Wotan
bs karnak i fly an a5 g6 or g2 3 or 4 kills = 10 to 15 perks. That aint braggin.



None of this is braggin karnak. Braggin would be stating the number of times I scored over 50 perks per sortie.  


I am the worst player in my squad and am at best average.

R U KIDDING?  50 points in a sortie???  And you consider yourself and average stick???  OMFG, I'm gonna go kill myself cuz I celebrate when I get a 3 kill mission and land 12 points and I think that I'M an average pilot.

Wotan, teach me, I am your humble student

Now excuse me, I have to go cry in a corner someplace.  Almost 2 years here and I still suck.  And I thought I was getting better