Why fly perk planes?

[Wotan]

this is no lie brady got near 85 in a 205.

i killed 12 or 13 planes in a 205. I only went after nikis and and spits.

but this wasnt dog fighting it was cherry picking around a huge furball at a4 a5 on the island map. i upped at a1 and headed south to 22k and orbited the flank of a huge furball. their must of been 60 guys there.

Brady got 59 vehicle perks in a m8 now that was something

Just get kills and perks take care of themselves. You can increase the perks you earn per sortie by flying planes with a hi eny value and killing planes with a lo eny value

Heres an example

last tour i was

Wotan has 6 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 109E-4 against the Spitfire Mk IX.

109e-4 has an eny value of 55

the spit 9 eny of 10

55/10 = 5.5*1.25 for landing the sortie = 6.875

so kill 1 spit 9 and land it in a 109e you will earn 6.875 perk points

now multiply by 6

Totals 41.25 fer 6 kills

like I said it aint braggin or skill. It a matter of what you want out of the game. If you want that perk plane fast then there are ways to do it.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Modas
I don't take up perk planes cuz just about the time I get off the runway I CTD and I don't get to use them anyway.

Punt

[jonnyb]

I take a perk plane up about once a tour.  Most often, that plane is a 262.  I also usually lose that 262 because I love to get crazy with it.  Do I really care that I just lost 200 perks?  No.  What I care about is that I just had a blast driving a plane that I don't normally take up.  I also love watching as every enemy in sight completely loses track of what they are doing to come and knock me out of the sky.  Seeing all those guys just about wet themselves with the anticipation of shooting down my jet is worth the perks .

Anyway, the rest of the time I'll be in my bravo pony.

[Beefcake]

What about the Ar234? This plane is almost usless now but yet it still costs 60 points or 180 for a formation.

[Karnak]

Wotan,

You are massively deluding yourself if you think that you are average.

Your K/D is almost 3 to 1.  That would put you below the top one or two percent, but still far above average.  The average AH pilot gets about 1/1 in the K/D department.

You also aren't flying aircraft that have staggeringly high ENY values.  The Mosquito's ENY of 40 is as high, or higher, than anything you fly save the Bf109E-4.  Your most common ride, the Fw190D-9, has an ENY of less than half the Mosquito's.

My best sortie in the Mossie got me five kills and about 8 perk points.  I did not succeed at landing it though.  Mosquitoes are too slow to run from two of the four most common fighters in the MA.

As to me hording perk points, er, no.  My low point was 64 shortly after the Spitfire Mk XIV came out.  I've now got about 230.  I came as close as one can to being a 4 and manage not to.


I would greatly appriciate you telling me how I can always succeed at running away in the Spitfire Mk XIV and Ta152H-1.  This has eluded me.

As an example, I was using a Spitfire Mk XIV in a many on many situation.  It got to the point were my E state was getting low and an N1K2 and an La-7 were agressively after me.  I managed to climb away from both of them, but an enemy P-38L then arrived at higher altitude.  He dove on me, I did a break turn with rudder slide, but he was a good shot. goes the Spitfire Mk XIV.

Now, I could simply have remained up in teh stratosphere and watched the Rooks and Knits fight, but why?  If you can't actually engage the enemy with a Spitfire Mk XIV, why fly it?  Keep in mind also that the Spitfire Mk XIV guzzles fuel and doesn't have much loiter time.  It is also unremarkable in performance unless it is on WEP, of which it has five minutes, you are paying the 60 points for those five minutes.

How could I have outrun the La-7, N1K2 and P-38L?

[-moto-]

Gangbang tags? get out here. These are just whines from folks who are afraid to get shot down.





A 262, temp, f4u-4, spit 14 and 152 if flown correctly need not worry about planes chasing you. Thats a fact.


 
I IM Wotan So it must be all be true





Moto

[Innominate]

Originally posted by -moto-

A 262, temp, f4u-4, spit 14 and 152 if flown correctly need not worry about planes chasing you. Thats a fact.

262 and tempest, sure.  Not really sure about the spit14.

But if you're in an f4u4, flying it correctly means flying 10k above everyone else.  And spending more time climbing than fighting.  The same tactics to stay alive in an f4u4 or 152 apply to the p51, f4u, 190s, 109s, etc.  The gangbang tags make the plane not worth it's cost.  It's a good plane, and should be perked, but it doesnt have the invulnerability of the 262 or tempest.

Attached is a speed comparison between the f4u4, 109g-10, p-51D, and the la7.

[GRUNHERZ]

"How could I have outrun the La-7, N1K2 and P-38L?"  

I've done that a bunch of times in a Bf109G6 which is slower than the Spit14 or even your Mossie.

Anyway the answer is simple Karnak you just don't seem to have the skills or experience in decision making neccesary for survival. When I flew more often cared about my KD no planes posed a problem for me because I could set my attacks up so it was possible to run away even in the 330mph deck speed G6.    

First you diddlyed up in letting that P38 come above you - that is only your fault.  If you turned HO into that P38 there is a very good chance he would loose you after reversing himself. The Spit14 acceleration is amazing and  with a little luck and jinking you would have come hom safe.

It was your mistake and lack of good judgement that cost you 60 perks, not any weakness in the plane.

The perkplanes wont make you a better pilot. I think you are dissapointed in this because you are unable to live your RAF romance novel uber spit fantasies.  

[Innominate]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"How could I have outrun the La-7, N1K2 and P-38L?"  

I've done that a bunch of times in a Bf109G6 which is slower than the Spit14 or even your Mossie.
 

Big difference here.

Most people when they see a run09 extending wiill pursue for a while, and then give up.  The attitude when facing a perk tagged plane is completly different, they will chase you for as long as possible, ESPECIALLY if they know they'll eventually catch up.

While karnak probably did die because of a greivous error on his part, comparing the ability to extend after a dive to a perk planes being able to run from la7s is wrong.  The bottom line with perk planes is, if you go under 10k feet, you will be run down and killed by la7s unless you're in a tempest or 262.

This puts us back to the point of, to survive in a perk plane, you need to spend most of your flight climbing, so that you're at least a few thousand feet above anyone you might encounter.  Unless you happen to be one of the top 5% of pilots, then you get to tell everyone how since you're average, they should be able to fly like you do.

[Mark Luper]

Grunherz, it must be wonderful to be as arrogant as you are on this board. Are you that way in real life too? Just wondering

[straffo]

Mark you cannot imagine what we have to listen to on squad channel

(J/K grun )

[Blank]

I've seen more than one post from AH players who wonder why perk planes cost so much and for the most part, have little or no advantage to flying them. I was pondering this point while trying to beat the LAG into the main arena last night and this is what I thought of as a possible solution. When I fly a perkie, I usually fly it to perform a specific task, like bomber interceptor (262) However, flying a 262 against a bomber formation is at times very precarious and costly with almost no reward. Kill three B-17's, land the 262 and get .26 perk points. Something seems wrong here...is it just me or should the reward mirror the risk involved?

My answer to this is that I find flying perk planes the only time when living matters, yeah maybe you have to fly conservativly (or like a wimp as urchin said ) but surley this is more akin to real life than mindless furballing dieing and respwning.


Perk planes are for guys who like to feel a bit more immersed in the whole fighting dieing thing as death means something,

or alternatively you have soo many perks you dont care about looseing them so its just a bit of mindless fun zooming around, trying to hit something with the potatoe launchers on a 262.

but either way gaining perks is not the main thing.

I'm sure everyone gets a hit of adrenaline as they come in to land a damaged 262, I know I do makes me shake for ages, and if I crash so be it, ying and yang, pleasure and pain.

to me the pizza map is the best perk plane map as your not so likely to get ganged and you can fly a bit more aggressive.

as for tags isn't Baron manfred von richtoven  famous for his all red fokker dr.1 triplane ( I think the biplanes he flew also had some red on), eric hartman had his black petal design (as seen in AH ) on his 109, and a female russion ace had a lily or something painted on the side (cant remember her name but I think she got ganged by 109' when they I.D'ed her)

So in RL some had tags as we do hear in AH.

Fly any plane right and you should survive even perk planes.

[Red Tail 444]

AMEN Blank!!

Turn the MA into a 5-life arena, and see who the wimps are after 4 deaths.

(points to everyone, including self)  

I know I'll be flying as if I'm in a 262 w/ one engine and no left aileron, but that's just me

Gainsie

[-moto-]

Originally posted by Karnak
Wotan,

 I would greatly appriciate you telling me how I can always succeed at running away in the Spitfire Mk XIV and Ta152H-1.  This has eluded me.

As an example, I was using a Spitfire Mk XIV in a many on many situation.  It got to the point were my E state was getting low and an N1K2 and an La-7 were agressively after me.  I managed to climb away from both of them, but an enemy P-38L then arrived at higher altitude.  He dove on me, I did a break turn with rudder slide, but he was a good shot. goes the Spitfire Mk XIV.

Now, I could simply have remained up in teh stratosphere and watched the Rooks and Knits fight, but why?  If you can't actually engage the enemy with a Spitfire Mk XIV, why fly it?  Keep in mind also that the Spitfire Mk XIV guzzles fuel and doesn't have much loiter time.  It is also unremarkable in performance unless it is on WEP, of which it has five minutes, you are paying the 60 points for those five minutes.

How could I have outrun the La-7, N1K2 and P-38L?

WTG Karnak So true

The few times I flew a spit 14 with it,s come get me Im a Perk Icon
I became the main target. The one time I did survive I had at least 6 cons on me and gaining untill a friendly 262 zoomed into the conga line and broke up The train and dusted the lead bogie for me to ecape. Don't know if the 262 made it home but he sure saved my bacon



Innominate;

Gangbang tags? get out here. These are just whines from folks who are afraid to get shot down.

A 262, temp, f4u-4, spit 14 and 152 if flown correctly need not worry about planes chasing you. Thats a fact.

Are Quotes from Wotan not me messed up on my Copy & paste job:D


Moto_MOL

[GRUNHERZ]

LOL Mark...  

Karnak is my left wing commie sob buddy here and I was giving him bit of a hard time since he made a big point that Wotan's skill level gave him an unrealistic perspective with the perkplanes. So I just turned it around at Karnak as a friendy remark of course.  

Innominate I wish I found more of those La7s that just stop chasing me after they begin closing, it just don't happend that often. They keep coming if they are closing the gap. My point was to set up your attacks so that they dont have a chance to even begin to close. Then it doesnt matter how they behave or what you are flying.
 
And straffo you will now wax my plane in addition to my boots you insignificant peon!!!