Author Topic: 190 Radiator hit revisited? (Read 755 times)

Sachs · « **on:** August 28, 2002, 08:20:58 PM »

This is starting to get old now. I can safely say 95% of my flights have ended abruptly now in the 190 series. Dora seems the radiator goes first 1 ping and bamn rad hit. 12 flights today 11 ended with abruptly with either radiator or engine oil hit. I am not saying this one day but it has been happening more and more frequently. What gives? My personal favorite is the P-51 that hits me at D 1.3 from behind no less "1 ping Mr Sulu" and radiator hit lol.

This is getting old along with a lot of the other issues that have crept up with 1.10. I don't mind games with problems and I also give the parent company ample time to fix the bugs and what nots. But instead of adding new things how about fixing the old first? Constructive criticism is all

Heinkel · « **Reply #1 on:** August 28, 2002, 09:58:59 PM »

I do agree. I have flown the A-8, and A-5, and I think the 1-ping-rad. hit is gone from those models, but I think the Dora still suffers from it. I think about the Dora, like I think about the 262. In the 262, I know any ping will kill my engine. In the Dora, I know any ping will kill my rad. If possible, I would like this looked into....

hogenbor · « **Reply #2 on:** August 29, 2002, 01:30:11 AM »

Euhmm, the A-series Fw 190's have radial engines which are air cooled. They don't have radiators.

Urchin · « **Reply #3 on:** August 29, 2002, 01:46:26 AM »

C202 seems to have the same kind of effect... seems like I lose my radiator to the first hit about 75% of the time.

Apar · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2002, 02:48:44 AM »

I agree Sachs

I drive 190's 99% of my online time.

The 1 ping radiator gone is a very very old problem.

I'm also surprised how easy the ailerons come off the 190.

90% of the damage I take is either the radiator or one of the ailerons (many of em from long distance hits, 1-2 pings).

Were the 190 ailerons that weak?

Sachs · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2002, 10:54:03 AM »

funny thing after i posted this got in dora 1 ping 50 cal d 1k from 6 and radiator hit. Sorry but this is getting old real quick. Wish HTC or pyro would comment on this reoccurring thing. I'm scared to fly the dora past my base now.

hazed- · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2002, 11:36:43 AM »

gave up trying to say this in another thread because the first thing someone said was stop whining.

im sick of trying to discuss LW machines in here.

Last 2 tours ive been flying allied planes because i got sick of endless frustrations with LW planes.

some of the things you have with LW:

engine oil hit the majority of the time in dora
much higher rate of wingloss on 190a8/f8 when used for jabo
20mm cannons do not hit with anywhere near the force of hispanos
E retention in zooms is far less for 190s and 109s when you compare entry speeds for any dive
during climbs watch the climb needle closely and you may well notice it is affected by wind and changes of direction far quicker than many other types
Engage auto level in a banking manouver and see how long it takes to level and you will find it is up to twice as long before the plane settles.

heres some moments that showed me the difference.

after flying dora/hurri c/p40e mostly this tour i have had far far more engine damages in dora than the other 2 and i have to say more wing damages.

using a 190a8 with 780 20mm i attacked 4 formations of b17s. by the time I had shot down 3 single b17s (and it was good solid hits each pass with little waste i had 150 rds left)

trying the same with hurricane c a few hours later i managed to kill a formation in TWO PASSES! firing 60 odd rounds per pass (had 40 rds in each gun left) they popped like balloons!
whether this is a net lag issue i dont know but it was a real eye opener.
Ive had several occations where ive dived HO in dora vs a typhoon or p51 or similar and we have jinked to avoid ho but they have not only turned 180 degrees afterwards but proceed to follow me up in a zoom! even though ive barely moved off the line of my original dive.Ive been above niks in 109s at high speed dived in and shot then zoomed up only to find these planes have turned and seem to be slowly gaining.I have an idea that LW planes have some sort of hi drag?? I read books like 'wings of the luftwaffe' by eric brown and it constantly refers to their excellent zoom and dives, at best AH 190s are mediocre zoom climbers especially compared to yaks/la5s/niks/spits/p51s.

but of course this is whining isnt it.

well like i said ive got sick of trying for changes and now i try to fly Allied planes in order to relieve the frustration and get some easy kills

Its a shame as i used to be in JG54 which flew LW only and i think these sorts of squads add a lot of colour to AH and it means the other countries get to fight german planes regularly instead of the constant nik/la7/spit fights.

Flying allied planes makes life alot less frustrating and you really do notice the difference.I dont care so much about it now as ive well and truelly made my mind up things are wrong with AH's LW planes.
They are not so bad that they cant be used effectively thats for sure, as i can still use them pretty well but they are without a doubt more frustrating for their damage models and their sometimes perplexing performance.

and good luck trying to get that radiator 6 oclock hit fixed.

p.s. and while youre at it try shooting a p51d in the underside near the radiator and see what gets damaged or how easily its damaged.This was a notorious weak spot and should be reflected in the model.I once read a pilot comment on the p51 being used in korea. He said even a farmer with their antique rifles could hole the p51 radiator in low level attacks.There was even a silly picture next to it.This would be a good test to see if the modeling for damage is , well , fair? Im going to try it out.

Samm · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2002, 12:01:43 PM »

It seems that on any inline engine fighter plane the coolant system is the first damaged .

minus · « **Reply #8 on:** August 29, 2002, 01:02:21 PM »

HTC just please do not fix any Lw plane , realy , i will realy hate to se all spit,nik,la, and .... drivers in the nice 190 ,

remember the time when 190a5 WAS PORKED , many easy drivers ride them

only 1 thingy the old roll rate , that i mising, or maybe other planes roll to well ? beter fix the other planes

john9001 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 29, 2002, 03:35:33 PM »

quote
"mysupergermanairplanedosentfl ylikeithinkitshoulditgetsdama gedtoomuchandicantshootdownal liedplanessofixitbecauseimget tingfustrated'

shut up and fly you luftwhiners, whats getting "old" is the constant whining about german planes getting damaged too ez , not shooting down allied planes, not turning fast enough, not flying fast enough, time to face the truth, german planes were crap.

some people think germany had the best pilots, best planes, best tanks , best guns , best ammo, best generals, best tactics.......me and hitler both wonder how you lost the war so badly with the best of everything

straffo · « **Reply #10 on:** August 29, 2002, 04:47:49 PM »

what about a LW only arena for you guys ?

you won't anymore complain about the other planes as you will fight LW plane in your LW plane

Sound's that I've found a clever solution about your problems

Kweassa · « **Reply #11 on:** August 29, 2002, 05:22:02 PM »

How's asking to look into weirdness of damages being received in a particular area only in average cases, the same as mentality for asking "best of everything"?

Besides, when the "P-38 tail boom lobby" was going on, we didn't see many people ganging up and chanting "whiner.. whiner.. whiner.. whiner..".. did we?

Hey, not only the P-38 received tougher tail booms, and the booms don't fall out with the first few pings, but also they got their whole plane toughened out. We see P-38s survivng a 30mm ping sometimes.

...

I'm sure the P-38 folks didn't show us any "quantitive info".... or "chart"... or a "graph" concerning "how often the tail booms knock off with few pings". And still yet, they got their entire plane toughened up.

So, what's so different in people asking for fixes concerning "how often the radiator knocks out with a few pings"?

john9001 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 29, 2002, 05:41:27 PM »

my P51 gets it's rad hit all the time, i want it fixed

Heinkel · « **Reply #13 on:** August 29, 2002, 06:20:06 PM »

What Kweassa said.

After "just a few" p38 whines, their plane got fixed. No data was thrown out, no charts, no nothing. Just a few people saying "p38's tail is tooo weak."

Now I have seen some threads about LW planes where tremendous amounts of data have been throw out for people to read....and nothing.

moot · « **Reply #14 on:** August 29, 2002, 07:16:50 PM »

Maybe HTC has found relevant info in the case of the -38 by themselves, without confirming it here, and in the case of the lw planes they have info more trustworthy or of equal reputation contradicting the data presented to them; in any case, it is doubtful HTC would do this on purpose, which would imply going against everything they say they believe in (etc).

So, it is a waste to see real threads with real info discussed seriously for HTC to see polluted with the "whine-this whine-that"-"my favorite plane better than yours" that are off subject and oppose even more the feedback process than said pseudo"whining".