Author Topic: Patton- Crazy? (Read 1531 times)

easymo · « **Reply #15 on:** August 29, 2002, 09:43:03 PM »

Its interesting how a persons personality comes out on the BBS, if he has posted enough. I, for example, am considered a bit of a hard bellybutton in real life. I think a little of that may creep out in my posts.

I have read enough of your posts, to have you figured for a total chicken toejam. I would be very, very surprised if you were not 4-F if you went back in time.

Animal · « **Reply #16 on:** August 29, 2002, 09:54:17 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
Its interesting how a persons personality comes out on the BBS, if he has posted enough. I, for example, am considered a bit of a hard bellybutton in real life. I think a little of that may creep out in my posts.

I have read enough of your posts, to have you figured for a total chicken toejam. I would be very, very surprised if you were not 4-F if you went back in time.

LOL
Sure tough-guy, you know me like the palm of your hand!

As much as you like to believe you know everything about me you tard, you are comically mistaken. And I wont assume what you are like, not that I care anyways. I dont care if you are a 'hard ass' in real life as you gratuitously added in your ad-hom, to me, you are a bunch of retarded sentences and characters in a standard BBS font.

We were on a discussion here, about Patton. I made a joke to cite the widely publisiced squeak-slap incident Patton was charged with, to add to the 'insanity' discussion. What I said about going back and fighting for him was also a joke [you missed the word 'tards' in my post?]

Not everything said on this BBS is directed at you, or to impress you. And if you spend your time here analizing the posters personalities instead of discussing the subjects, then maybe you should spend your time in an AOL chatroom?

easymo · « **Reply #17 on:** August 29, 2002, 09:57:20 PM »

I wont comment on YOUR intellect. Your posts do that adequately.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #18 on:** August 29, 2002, 09:58:21 PM »

I've heard Patton wasn't well liked by his troops in WW2. At any rate by that time most of the generals had their own press agents.

As far as great leaders go I would have been honored to have served under Col. Anthony Herbert, commander of the 173rd Airborn during latter days Viet Nam and the most decorated enlisted man in the Korean War. One big problem in Viet Nam was friendly fire casualties and Colonel Herbert ordered ALL M=16s be fired on semi-auto only. Not only did friendly fire casulties decrease but body counts increased as the infantryman relearned marksmanship skills.

All I know who served under him loved the guy, and if any of you would like to read a bit about Viet Nam and Col. Herbert then do a google search. I did just to post a link but it was hard to decide between several good ones.

easymo · « **Reply #19 on:** August 29, 2002, 10:05:20 PM »

As to my cowardly father-in-law. He and his tank arrived on the Normandy beach head one week after the D-day invasion. He headed east, and didn't stop until he got to Berlin. He fought in the battle of the bulge, along the way. And among other jewelry, he picked up a purple heart, and an oak leaf to put on it.

Animal · « **Reply #20 on:** August 29, 2002, 10:08:31 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
I wont comment on YOUR intellect. Your posts do that adequately.

Another ad homimem, this time what you meant is: "ok dude I'll back off now but I dislike you so I'll call you silly"

Thankfully you decided not to comment so we can keep talking about Patton, and not how I'm scared of butterflies and you killed three grizzly bears with your bare hands.

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Originally posted by easymo
As to my cowardly father-in-law. He and his tank arrived on the Normandy beach head one week after the D-day invasion. He headed east, and didn't stop until he got to Berlin. He fought in the battle of the bulge, along the way. And among other jewelry, he picked up a purple heart, and an oak leaf to put on it.

Meant no offense to him, I dont doubt he was a fine soldier worthy of his brass like many young men who destroyed their youth in the war. My hat goes off to HIM.

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I've heard Patton wasn't well liked by his troops in WW2. At any rate by that time most of the generals had their own press agents.

As far as great leaders go I would have been honored to have served under Col. Anthony Herbert, commander of the 173rd Airborn during latter days Viet Nam and the most decorated enlisted man in the Korean War. One big problem in Viet Nam was friendly fire casualties and Colonel Herbert ordered ALL M=16s be fired on semi-auto only. Not only did friendly fire casulties decrease but body counts increased as the infantryman relearned marksmanship skills.

All I know who served under him loved the guy, and if any of you would like to read a bit about Viet Nam and Col. Herbert then do a google search. I did just to post a link but it was hard to decide between several good ones.

Yes, wasnt he the most decorated batallion cmdr in Nam? My memory is a bit fuzzy on his specific feats but I do remember reading some pretty spectacular stuff.

As for me, seriously if I had no choice, I'd fight for Major Winters, the same guy the series Band of Brothers revolved around. If he was as good a leader as in the series (and it seems so from the individual grunt interviews) then he would be my choice.

Either that, or that Air Force General from 'Dr Strangelove' who kept blabbering about 'bodily fluids'

Commander Rialbh would be a great choice too.

Animal · « **Reply #21 on:** August 29, 2002, 10:13:34 PM »

Thrawn · « **Reply #22 on:** August 29, 2002, 10:56:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal

And I wont assume what you are like, not that I care anyways. I dont care if you are a 'hard ass' in real life as you gratuitously added in your ad-hom, to me, you are a bunch of retarded sentences and characters in a standard BBS font.

"Meant no offense to him, I dont doubt he was a fine soldier worthy of his brass like many young men who destroyed their youth in the war. My hat goes off to HIM. "

Stick with one arguement. You're were right. You have no idea if he was a fine soldier. For the most part we honestly don't know what is BS or truth about each other on this BBS.

ie: My great grand-father WAS Patton. And I served under him in WW2 and I can honestly say that my fellow men loved him deeply.

The only truth in this medium is strength of our arguements, as they reflect historical record or scientific proof. The rest is just opinion.

easymo · « **Reply #23 on:** August 29, 2002, 11:32:53 PM »

What kind of proof would you like? You name it. He probably remember his old service number. Would that do.

Animal · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:00:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

"Meant no offense to him, I dont doubt he was a fine soldier worthy of his brass like many young men who destroyed their youth in the war. My hat goes off to HIM. "

Stick with one arguement. You're were right. You have no idea if he was a fine soldier. For the most part we honestly don't know what is BS or truth about each other on this BBS.

ie: My great grand-father WAS Patton. And I served under him in WW2 and I can honestly say that my fellow men loved him deeply.

The only truth in this medium is strength of our arguements, as they reflect historical record or scientific proof. The rest is just opinion.

Yeah I guess you are right, but in this case I admit I believe easymo, he may be a tard but I dont see him lying about stuff like this or making up that his father in law fought in a tank in europe. Its not like that is extremely extraordinary.

Now, as for the old man meeting Patton and disliking him; Patton was not the kind of man a honorable war hero would get to like. Patton was scum. But he was the right man for the job, fighting a dirty war against scum enemies. Friggin NAZIs

Like him or not, Patton rocked.

Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:04:36 AM »

Patton was "scum"?

Put down the shovel.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:08:23 AM »

Weather reports a toejamstorm... you guys seen one in your areas?

Time to hunker down!
-SW

Animal · « **Reply #27 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:10:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Patton was "scum"?

Put down the shovel.

C'mon, he was no great like Eisenhower. He was an awesome General but by no means a lovable guy. Far from it.

He squeak-slapped his troopers, threatned them, talked smack, and was a bit megalomaniacal. He was a dog of war.

An awesome general though. Just like Rommel or Yamamoto. You wouldnt be bothered if I called them scum now would you?

Same breed IMO.

Toad · « **Reply #28 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:21:40 AM »

Bothered? No. I rarely get bothered over what I read on the AH BBS.

But Scum? Patton, Rommel or Yammamoto? No, I don't think so; far from it in fact. You've got three really fine military minds in this group.

And I think the hole you started digging for yourself with your replies to Easymo just gets deeper every time you post such stuff.

Here's a quick read on Patton.. tell me if you still think he's "scum" after you read it. Like both Rommel and Yammamoto he was an "achiever" and a "leader". But perhaps your definition of "scum" is quite different than mine.

General George S. PATTON

Animal · « **Reply #29 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:45:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Bothered? No. I rarely get bothered over what I read on the AH BBS.

But Scum? Patton, Rommel or Yammamoto? No, I don't think so; far from it in fact. You've got three really fine military minds in this group.

And I think the hole you started digging for yourself with your replies to Easymo just gets deeper every time you post such stuff.

Here's a quick read on Patton.. tell me if you still think he's "scum" after you read it. Like both Rommel and Yammamoto he was an "achiever" and a "leader". But perhaps your definition of "scum" is quite different than mine.

General George S. PATTON

Perhaps it is.
And what is this hole thing you keep talking about?
LOL, this has to be the funniest BBS on the web.

As for our different definitions of scum, anyone who ENJOYS war as Patton clearly did, fills that definition. Being a military "ahiever" doesnt mean you are a fine person. Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Attila, Sauron, etc.

Anywyas, its all IMO, and I dont see that changing no matter how much you believe the "hole" gets deeper, wich I assume means something like 'get in line with the rest of us or you will be un-popular'

I'll quote good ol' Einstein before I go to bed, even if it will make the 'hole' go a few meters deeper:

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away at once. Heroism at command, sensless brutality, deporable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder"

This quote is not directed at the fine men who had no choice but to fight, and did it valiantly with honor. They are better than I am and I wont deny that.

I admire Patton for his military genious. The guy knew his stuff. But I hold no illussions of him and others of his kind being glorious heroes like we see in Hollywood, books, and great writings made to glorify them. War is the filthiest crap we humans have created and I refuse to believe anyone who is BORN for it is wonderfully good person.

Flame me all you want.

Ghandi = Great man.

Patton = Scum; also great military genious, and cool guy.

-edit-
from the link Toad posted:

"Soldier, General, Pilot, Athlete, Father, Gun Owner, Hero, Legend"[/b]
LOL!

I'm reading thru the stuff, not over yet.
Haha, yeah, a completly objective and level article, it will probably change my mind, I mean, thats what its meant for!