Author Topic: Patton- Crazy? (Read 1527 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #45 on:** August 30, 2002, 10:52:28 AM »

My buddy here at work was a Marine A-4 pilot in Nam. He told me this little story Yesterday.

Every pilot in the Corps did a 1 month stint as a forward ground observer. when his time was up he choppered out to DaNang. I guess the huey had to stop about 2 miles from his final destination, so he walks.

On the way he past 2 newbees who had supply jobs or something. My friend was looking pretty obviously like a guy who had been in-country for 30 days. Both of these guys stopped and said "Hey Capt. You were out there huh?" "How do we get out there?" -- They wanted to see some action.

My friend said it was one of the few times he can remember blowing his cool at an enlisted man. He proceeded to call them both a couple of diddlying idiots and told them that he just left 400 guys who would give their left nut to change places with them.

These 2 idiots are the kind of people Einstein was talking about.

Animal · « **Reply #46 on:** August 30, 2002, 11:01:30 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
My buddy here at work was a Marine A-4 pilot in Nam. He told me this little story Yesterday.

Every pilot in the Corps did a 1 month stint as a forward ground observer. when his time was up he choppered out to DaNang. I guess the huey had to stop about 2 miles from his final destination, so he walks.

On the way he past 2 newbees who had supply jobs or something. My friend was looking pretty obviously like a guy who had been in-country for 30 days. Both of these guys stopped and said "Hey Capt. You were out there huh?" "How do we get out there?" -- They wanted to see some action.

My friend said it was one of the few times he can remember blowing his cool at an enlisted man. He proceeded to call them both a couple of diddlying idiots and told them that he just left 400 guys who would give their left nut to change places with them.

These 2 idiots are the kind of people Einstein was talking about.

That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
Thank you.

Pongo · « **Reply #47 on:** August 30, 2002, 11:10:19 AM »

Animals extensive domestic engineer experiance would be highly prized by Patton. Good valets are hard to find. Wonder if his dad would let him go though...

Animal · « **Reply #48 on:** August 30, 2002, 11:14:46 AM »

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Animals extensive domestic engineer experiance would be highly prized by Patton. Good valets are hard to find. Wonder if his dad would let him go though...

Heh, another ad hom by a notoriously pathetic 'me too'
Keep 'em coming Pongo. Though I dont know why you would think I would be good servitude; I assume you think I'm physically disabled, or because of my race or culture, or maybe its a common insult from where you come? you give no info.

By the way, my father has been in a coma for the last month and a half you dumb diddly.

Toad · « **Reply #49 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:15:58 PM »

No, I think many of them are fine men that step forward to do a job that very few will do. Men that sacrifice a great deal for the good of all. Men that train and study and devote themselves to a task that they hope they'll never have to do. And if you don't think Patton fits that mold, you haven't really studied his career. I'm not saying he was the "perfect general". I'm saying he clearly wasn't scum, however one would define that term.

Holes: let's see if this helps clear it up:

Stop Digging

""If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

These were the words of Oded Cohen, as he showed us how to teach the Management Skills Workshop (MSW). According to Oded, business is about relationships. They may be relationships between customers and employees. They may be relationships between ourselves and our subordinates or even our superiors.

But it's all about relationships. So, if you see that what you're saying and how you're saying it are damaging your relationship with that seemingly stubborn colleague, then stop. Break the comm. link. Cease transmission. Redirect your output to the bit-bucket. But stop damaging the relationship. Give yourself a chance to cool off and to think about the conflict
that is causing such emotion in you.

But stop digging that hole, because you'll only make it more difficult to climb out later."

The basic reference is business but perhaps you'll get the drift.

But, of course, if you're perfect, feel free to ignore the advice.

Animal · « **Reply #50 on:** August 30, 2002, 12:44:09 PM »

I dont think I'm perfect, but this is not a business and I dont see how I can do any harm arguing with someone here. What fun there is here if we have to sugar coat and censor the things we say for fear that someone will throw a tantrum?

Whatever, 'I'm Sorry for the joke easymo' if that will make him feel better.

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No, I think many of them are fine men that step forward to do a job that very few will do. Men that sacrifice a great deal for the good of all. Men that train and study and devote themselves to a task that the hope they'll never have to do. And if you don't think Patton fits that mold, you haven't really studied his career. I'm not saying he was the "perfect general". I'm saying he clearly wasn't scum, however one would define that term.

I think we agree more in some levels than you believe. I'm gonna give examples. I think men like Eisenhower, Adolf Galland, Lincon fit that mold like a glove. Great men who got tied up in a dirty affair and tried put some closure to it so that they could end the war and go on.

However, Patton, McArthur, Churchill, etc, dont. From reading their personal accounts, it seems to me more that they took war like a fine event to prove their worth. Look at Patton, his whole life he grew up yearning for a war to come so that he could be remembered as a hero in history. He was very high in the comand chain, but I see no difference between him and the guys from MT's coworker story.

True heroes dont want that stuff to happen. They DONT want to be heroes. It just happens.

That is I M O of course, and as I have said many times, I still admire Patton's military genious, but he was no great savior with no choice like the movie 'Gladiator'. He was having the time of his life.

Now should I call 'uncle', drop the shovel and end this arguement, or should I stay and keep trying to explain my point as I dodge personal attacks that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

Toad · « **Reply #51 on:** August 30, 2002, 01:14:45 PM »

I haven't made any ad hominem attacks against you or anyone else; that's not my style.

I just disagreed with you. Still do. I found some of what you posted mildly offensive. Had I been Easymo, I would have found it very offensive.

WRT to Patton, we just disagree. Most likely this stems from the large difference in experiences with the militarly establishment between you and I.

Was he the greatest general? No. Was he scum? Hardly.

Even Lee, a general and a person that I greatly admire said: "It is well that war is so terrible - we should grow to fond of it."

Was Lee "scum"? Hardly.

Beyond that, there's Ernie King's comment: ""When they get in trouble, they send for the sons of squeakes." Patton was an SOB at times, no doubt. But sometimes that's part of the job.

WRT to holes; I hope that helped to explain. Business or BBS, we make our own personnas by how we interact with our fellows. Here on the BBS, we build our personnas one post at time. So dig ... or don't dig. Your choice.

Animal · « **Reply #52 on:** August 30, 2002, 01:25:48 PM »

I know you havent attacked me personally.

Maybe I shouldnt have used the word scum, just SOB instead. Ironic cause I find SOB more offensive, but whatever, point taken and frankly its not different than mine at all.

I think what you disagreed with was the word scum? well then, I'll use SOB next time. If you read my posts from the begining you'll notice that I dont hate Patton.

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Beyond that, there's Ernie King's comment: ""When they get in trouble, they send for the sons of squeakes." Patton was an SOB at times, no doubt. But sometimes that's part of the job.

This is exactly what I was trying to say from the begining and what I believe.

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I just disagreed with you. Still do. I found some of what you posted mildly offensive. Had I been Easymo, I would have found it very offensive.

I thought you never got bothered by stuff posted on a BBS, but now you tell me you found it mildly offensivem, very offensive from easymo's POV. Wich is is it then?

I'm sorry if the squeak-slap comment was so offensive. I bet the poor dudes who got the slap by Patton were waaaaay more offended than that though.

Toad · « **Reply #53 on:** August 30, 2002, 01:32:30 PM »

"Offensive" doesn't keep me up at night.

"Bothered" might keep me up at night.

Yeah, scum is a poor choice of words. "a low, vile, or worthless person or group of people". Doesn't apply, IMO.

"SOB" in it's usual military context doesn't imply low, vile or worthless. In fact, sometimes it's high praise. See King's remark. It's pretty versatile.. kinda like the F word is used in the military.

JimBear · « **Reply #54 on:** August 30, 2002, 01:34:23 PM »

totaly off the wall but....

Pattons Grandaughter has the biggest boobies I have ever seen

Animal · « **Reply #55 on:** August 30, 2002, 01:36:39 PM »

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Originally posted by JimBear
totaly off the wall but....

Pattons Grandaughter has the biggest boobies I have ever seen

Pictures please.

Pongo · « **Reply #56 on:** August 30, 2002, 02:13:15 PM »

Animal cornered..plays not only the race card..but the dad in a coma card..lol
None of the above idiot. You posted at length about your life as domestic help for dad once...You were proud of it then..not any more I guess..
Should I crack a snipe about how your dad may or may not have gotten in a coma...thats what you would do... going by your posts in this thread...
If your sensitive about your employment..dont advertise it.
If your sensisitve about your father, dont take shots at other peoples families.

my attack on you wasnt an ad homimem, I didnt say you were wrong..I just flamed you. I know its your word of the day but you are over using it a bit.

I read "Soldier" by Anthony Herbert many years ago and it was an excellent book. Highly recomended.

Animal · « **Reply #57 on:** August 30, 2002, 02:44:39 PM »

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Animal cornered..plays not only the race card..but the dad in a coma card..lol
None of the above idiot. You posted at length about your life as domestic help for dad once...You were proud of it then..not any more I guess..
Should I crack a snipe about how your dad may or may not have gotten in a coma...thats what you would do... going by your posts in this thread...
If your sensitive about your employment..dont advertise it.
If your sensisitve about your father, dont take shots at other peoples families.

my attack on you wasnt an ad homimem, I didnt say you were wrong..I just flamed you. I know its your word of the day but you are over using it a bit.

I read "Soldier" by Anthony Herbert many years ago and it was an excellent book. Highly recomended.

Cornered? cards?

LOL man you are an idiot. The race card? well, I sincerely had no clue why you brought the servitude thing, so I assumed a few things including that cause it was completly irrational thing. dad in a coma card? what will that card get me off from (not that I have to get off from anything in here) just pointing out that if you are so omni-knowing about my personal affairs you should at least get the facts straight. If you dont believe that, whatever. If I were to lie about something, I'd make sweet happy lies about how my life is paradise.

Yes, I am proud that I came to live with my father after his stroke and his deteriorating health. I put my studies on hold for 4 months to help him in his recovery, much to his annoyance (he will never admit he needs help from anyone) and I am proud to admit I did all the domestic work in his apartment when he was unable. Sadly my dad is slowly creeping out of this world, and I'm proud I was the only person there with him in his last months.
You have a spooky interest about my life for someone who doesnt know me and seem to loathe me for some strange reason. I guess the internet is full of sad lowlives like you. Take all the cheap shots you can make up about my dad and his current state, I know that kind of stuff makes your day.

Sensitive about my employment? well yes I guess working tech support is not the most glamorous thing in the world, but I'm not gonna get a CEO job in my age. I get a very nice paycheck for my limited experience though, and it helps pay the books and gasoline.

No shame in my personal life, bud. I'd say it should be currently better than yours, seeing how you have so much interest in other people's lives (enough to memorize what I may have said in a post I have long forgotten?). I guess its great for the ego that someone who is completly stranger to me (I dont even remember anything you have posted, said, or even seeing you inside Aces High) knows so much about me.

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my attack on you wasnt an ad homimem, I didnt say you were wrong..I just flamed you. I know its your word of the day but you are over using it a bit.

Huh, you have no idea what the word means? I keep bringing the word because people here keep doing it. Saying someone is wrong is not an ad hom, bring up someone's personal stuff in an arguement IS exactly an ad hom.

As for easymo, I already apologized to him. I never took a cheap shot about his family, I made a joke about Patton, wich may have come across as offensive to some for reasons I would not have predicted back when I posted that.

You can keep flaming me Pongo, its probably a great vent from your own personal problmes to scrutinize the little things not working in other people's life. But if you are going to do so, at least get the information right, so you dont look like an ignorant tard.

senna · « **Reply #58 on:** August 30, 2002, 03:01:10 PM »

"Animals extensive domestic engineer experiance would be highly prized by Patton. Good valets are hard to find. Wonder if his dad would let him go though..."

LOL, sorry Animal, its funny.

Animal · « **Reply #59 on:** August 30, 2002, 03:08:52 PM »

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"Animals extensive domestic engineer experiance would be highly prized by Patton. Good valets are hard to find. Wonder if his dad would let him go though..."

LOL, sorry Animal, its funny.

Heh, yeah I know the sentence is funny in itself, funnier still if you look at it from my POV, and comically pathetic that he actually thought of that and used it. (specially after his follow up)