CT up and running, ETO 1944

[Sabre]

Originally posted by Karnak
Sabre ,

I am not asking for the Spitfire Mk XIV to be added to the current setup.  I would like some future CT setup where the Spitfire Mk XIV is enabled, but doesn't have to go up against hordes of Me262s because, quite frankly, fighting Me262s in the Spitfire Mk XIV is very much the same as fighting Me262s in the Spitfire F.Mk IX.

Thanks.

Roger that, Karnak.  When I run this again, I've already decided to include the Spit-XIV instead of the Spit-IX.  I just don't want to change mid-week.  As for "hordes" of 262's, I didn't see but one all weekend, but that doesn't mean they weren't there.  On retrospect, the 262 should have been perked in this set up, as the map didn't allow me to place it as far back (but not too far) from the front as I'd have liked.  Perks should have been reset for everyone too, like they used to be.  I've e-mailed Pyro about both of these things, but don't know if he'll be able to fix them before the week is done.  Thanks to everyone for their particiapation and feedback, and please understand: we try not to mess with a set up midweek unless it's obvious that it's horribly broken.

Sabre
CT Staff

[Nifty]

It's ok Sabre.  It's just a matter of true Spit fans (those that really enjoy the plane and reading about it outside of just fighting with it because it's a great lil' furball plane) getting fed up with the anti-Spit sentiment on the boards and the game.  A 109 fan can take the best 109 in the game and fly it in the MA free without a gang me icon.  The 190s have the Dora, tho their Ta-152 is perked (wrongly, IMO, but that's another thread.)  Pony drivers got their P-51D, and the speed freaks have their La-7.  They can all fly in the MA and have a ball with their plane.  A Spit fan can't take the best Spitfire in the MA without paying for it in 60 perks and overzealous gangbangers.  The CT is where we can get away from that and fly the planes historically and in a "nicer" environment.  So when a setup that's perfect for the Spit XIV (it wouldn't overbalance the Allieds the 190G-10 and Me262 takes care of that, you've got plenty of Pony and Jug fans so that it wouldn't be all Spit XIVs, and it's a western Europe front), us Spit fans get all excited!  Then the poor maligned Spit XIV isn't included, and we feel shafted or think once again, the Anti-Spit beast has reared its ugly head.

I'm a Spit fan.  I have precisely one book of WWII planes and it's on nothing but Spitfires.  I fly 'em when they're present in the CT and I fly 'em in the MA, even tho it's the "dweeb" thing to do.    I don't care.  I love my Spitfires, and the rest of ya can just think you're "better" because you fly INFERIOR planes.  

Looking forward to your next run of this, Sabre.  

[myelo]

Originally posted by brady
Chanter, stats are highly subjective, a lot of newbees fly plnaes like the Spit and the P 51 and the N1K2-J doing some not so smart things like trying to up from fields while beng vulched, being somthing of a Vulchers at times my self I can tell you from personal experance that most of my Vulches are Spits ,La 7's and N1K2-J's.

Actually there is nothing subjective about the stats. They consist of real numbers presented factually.

What is subjective is the interpretation of these numbers. An example would be assuming that spit pilots are more likley to be newbies that fly less intelligently compared to LW pilots.

[ergRTC]

but that assumption would be right in the MA.  I love the spitfire, but I do realize how good of a plane it is.  I like the challenge of besting an opponent in a plane that has good and bad points, like the f4u or f6f or the hurri.  Planes which kick butt when flown well.  Spitfires are like flying ufos.  THey are fast, handle like a charm, and there only problem is the ammo load, but getting on somebodies tail and close is not that hard.  DId i mention the stop on a dime?

Now the spit 14 really isnt a spitfire.  It doesnt handle particularly well, but it climbs good and is very fast.  But!  the 109g10 is about the same plane but better in every way.  

Spit 14 should be in this map nexttime and I feel for those spit loving guys like the 880.  This is like a late pacific map without the f6f.

[Terror]

Why not the Tempest in this setup?

Terror

[myelo]

ErgRTC, I’m not necessarily taking issue with the conclusion, only with the lack of precision in the method.

What I disagree with is the idea that numbers taken straight from the database should be dismissed because they are “highly subjective”, while at the same time presenting an assumption as objective information, without providing any specific data.

[ergRTC]

yawn....

Whos the other guy that hangs out in the gameplay forum with this problem.  Cant remember the handle anymore. Maybe this will ring a bell.

poor sap: I was flying the spit 9 yesterday, does anybody else think it handles a little too well?

theguyIcantremember: WHAT!  How did you come to this conclusion!  I WANT METHODS! REFERENCES! YOUR MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME.......

I didnt think there was a reason to disagree or even put as much thought into it as you have.  Sorry.

[HiJack]

Hehe ERG, Myelo wish i had gone to college so i could write like that, damn thats beautiful! Keep it up i love readin it lol!

[ergRTC]

Hey anybody notice the ct is still full of knit bases?
Has it been reset?  Or did somebody screw it up again?

[Löwe]

Originally posted by Nifty

I'm a Spit fan.  I have precisely one book of WWII planes and it's on nothing but Spitfires.  I fly 'em when they're present in the CT and I fly 'em in the MA, even tho it's the "dweeb" thing to do.    I don't care.  I love my Spitfires, and the rest of ya can just think you're "better" because you fly INFERIOR planes.  

Looking forward to your next run of this, Sabre.  

You've got a point Nifty. As way back as AW DOS the Spitfire has drawn the ire of those who don't like it. I agree with all of you saying the Spit XIV should be in this set-up. However so should the ME-262, and how or where you fly your plane is your business. The Spit in any version is a great aircraft, and each version should get it's time to shine. Even though you can count me in the numbers of the certified Spit haters, it shouldn't be kept out of set-ups. I'm just glad I'm not on the CT staff, taking all these complaints we give out is as bad as taking on 4 spits all by yourself.

[Karnak]

Sabre,

I didn't mean to imply that this setup was rife with Me262s.  I've only flown one sortie in this setup and I saw one 262, but I was sitting in it.

I was refering to the one time I had access to the Spitfire Mk XIV in the CT (it was a BoB II scenario) and two out of every three German aircraft were Me262s.

The Me262 is so fast and so potent that it really makes little difference if the RAF player is in a 1944 Spitfire Mk XIV or a 1942 Spitfire Mk IX.  Due to that agravation, I'll skip the CT events were the Me262 is freely available from all fields.

I'd like to use the Spitfire Mk XIV against the top end German prop planes without having to constantly blow energy dodging Me262s.  It takes most of the fun out of the fight.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Karnak
I was refering to the one time I had access to the Spitfire Mk XIV in the CT (it was a BoB II scenario) and two out of every three German aircraft were Me262s.

I remember that setup.  Two out of every three Allied planes were Spit 14s, and the third was a Tempest.

- oldman

[Taiaha]

Jeez, Oldman, I'd forgotten about that too.  Now it's bringing it all back. . .the twitches, the years of therapy. . .

Actually, bagged my first ever tempest, driving a g-6, in that setup, and floated around for the rest of the day!

[ergRTC]

brady ct is porked again.