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« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2001, 09:15:00 AM »
As an Intel stock-holder, I'll just have to say:

"AMD is evil. They will deceive you in order to steal your soul. Don't buy their products... EVER!"  

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« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2001, 09:35:00 AM »
<snicker> <snicker> Hey Tac I know what would be best....
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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »
Hi

as it should be Hi-end system,
i would put Geforce 2 ( NOT MX )
and 7200 rpm drive ...

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« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2001, 12:50:00 PM »
AMD ONLY  imho
and up the HD to 7200 rpm it makes a diff.
vid card should attach with Velcro as ya want to chang em bout every 15 min or so.

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« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2001, 03:15:00 PM »
Actually TAc, both win98 and winME don't use memory over 128 MB very well.  WinNT and 2000 will use all you can give it though.

As for the motherboard, I believe Anandtech did a review of 3 DDR AMD motherboards.  Just look at the bar graphs and you'll find the AMD 760 chipset will win probably all the performance tests.
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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2001, 03:47:00 PM »
You said that you were spending up to $2500 on this machine?  Well if you care enough to git the very best.
 http://www.dansdata.com/pc70.htm

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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2001, 04:35:00 PM »
As a die-hard Dell suck-up I have to say this. Dell can still give you a copy of Windoze 95 if you want it!! According to the sales rep I talked to not 3 weeks ago, they'll continue to stock Win98SE for at least for another 4 months. Once that time hits, they'll ditch 95 and 98; all you'll be able to grab is ME. Kinda sucks, but I've got several copies of 98 (1st edit, 2nd edit, OEM) and a copy of ME I plan on using as shotgun skeet.

Granted you'll lose about 15 FPS running a P4, but you could save some money and just buy a P3 933. Dell has 'em for UNDER $1,500 with 128 meg of RAM. Their warranty has some perks too; if anything breaks in the first year (expandable to 3 years) they'll send out a boot-licker to fix it. I've had this P 200 for 4 years (new P3 933 is on the way) and they've been called out FOUR times. All for the same CD ROM (Toshiba) that keeps dying. Bad brand if you ask me. Nothing else has failed, and I've only had to format it TWICE!! Once when the registry got screwed up, the second time when I goofed and tried DX-7 on a vid card designed with DX-6 in mind.

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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2001, 06:39:00 PM »
some notes:
P4 is designed for DDR memory.  AMD Tbird/Duron isn't.  Witha  P4 you get some performance enhancements with DDR; with an AMD product, those enhancements are marginal.
Hell, the stuff I 've been reading tells you to go with Via's 133A chipset and a T-bird for the best bang for your buck.
What you need to ask yourself is how much you are willing to spend to have absolutely the best thing out there, and how much having 90% of the best is worth.  That last 10% in computers, as in just about every other market out there, costs around as much as the preceding 90%.
If I had to buy an AH machine today with unlimited funds, I'd go AMD T-bird 1.3 with a Via K7 whatever chipset board (asus makes the best motherboards), as much *good* _SDR_ memory as I could afford and a Radeon 64 MB DDR.

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« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2001, 06:59:00 PM »
 i just buit a 1.3 athlon all iv got to get is a new vid card for it was going to gforce 3 but peaple have said its not worth the price or is too far ahead for games that are out here ...been pulling hair to decide which way to go probly settle for the g2 ultra 64 mg ..but ya never know  

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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2001, 07:04:00 PM »
If you are going to get an AMD processor and can hold out until April 30, you can save some $ to spend on other things, but I'd guess Intel will drop prices around then also...

 http://www.theinquirer.net/26040101.htm

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« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2001, 09:29:00 PM »
Ya, I will hold out for a few days, gotta wait for my credit card to get home  

Definetely getting an AMD system, ive heard a lot of people say their p4's are buggy and they get no performance boost (neighbor got himself a p4 1.5ghz.. damn fast when compared to my P2 300, but in games it doesnt do any better...go figure).

this TV out bussiness of the Gforce 2 cards.. that mean I can record stuff that goes on my PC on a vcr (like Hblair & co do their AH movies)? I know youre supposed to be able to watch tv in your pc with it. =P

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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2001, 01:10:00 AM »
I just heard that AMD was dropping prices Monday as well.  I would also expect the 1.4 or 1.5 Tbirds soon.

(Ok, I'm bored, here comes my technical speel.   )

Dinger, you are horribly mistaken.  The p4 is designed for Rambus memory.  DDR ram is essentially Sdram (syncronous dram) that transfers twice the data per clock.  Rambus is something totally different.  It transfers very small packets of data at very high speed.  As a result it has very high potential memory bandwidth.  Unfortuantely latency suffers in the rambus design even more than in DDR sdram.  This is why the Rambus memory did not greatly help performance (in fact it did the opposite) when paired to the p3 last year.  It has now been revealed that Intel was trying to just get it in production so it would be available when the p4 came out.  They knew full well that it would not help performance on the p3.

It is somewhat true that the potential memory bandwidth improvements of DDR sdram (ddr meaning "double data rate") do not yield a large performance benefit.  That is largely because latency is worse in DDR vs regular Sdram.  As the quality of DDR modules improve the performance boost will be greater.  Most current software is also unable to take advantage of the greater bandwidth as well.

Rambus ram has more drawbacks than just high latency though.  (For those who don't know what latency is it is basically the minimum delay in performing any memory operation.)  Rambus ram also suffers from being much more costly than ddr ram (about 2x at current writing).  In addition it generates a lot of heat, so much heat spreaders must be on the ram chips.  Rambus also happens to be embroiled in a series of lawsuits, and as a result they are probably THE most hated computer company on the planet.  Ironically rambus ram is not used in the application it is best suited for, that being video memory.  Nintendo was the first company to put rambus ram to use.  The Nintendo 64 uses rambus ram.  In this application it is ideal.  In PCs it is not ideal and I don't believe it will ever really catch on.



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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2001, 01:13:00 AM »
If you guys are interested in reading just why the P4 sucks, go to the hardware and software forums.  I'm about to post a VERY LONG article detailing why in as basic of language as I can.

It's long enough I'll have to break it into 2 parts or else the BBS will crash when I submit it.

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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2001, 12:04:00 PM »
Which RAM is better?

DDR PC2100 • CL=2.5 • Unbuffered • Non-parity • 2.5V • 32Meg x 64

DDR PC2100 • CL=2.5 • Unbuffered • ECC • 2.5V • 32Meg x 72

or

DDR PC2100 • CL=2.5 • Registered • ECC • 2.5V • 32Meg x 72

?

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« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2001, 12:51:00 PM »