If you want your aircraft fixed in Aces High...

[whgates3]

i am presently reading the autobiography of William Dunn (this regards the the effect of ejected 0.50 cal shell casings on the wing mounted rockets of the P-47).  on Aug 25, '44 Dunn, with the 406th FG of the 9th AF was attacking shipping in Brest Harbour in a P-47D-25, having previously fired his 8 x 0.50 MGs an unknown number of rounds:
"...i leveled out just above the water and salvoed [all 10 of] my rockets.  Four of them hit the ship dead center, exploding inside the hull; two hit just below the water line; and two went skidding across the ship's deck.  Two rockets didn't fire; the pigtails had been knocked loose by ejected .50 caliber cartridge shells when we were supressing the flak for the guy in the water..."

Dunn was the 1st US ace of WWII (6.5 kills confirmed w/ 71 Squadron RAF, the 1st Eagle Squadron)

[straffo]

Originally posted by Heinkel


Not whining, just pointing out what is wrong. Wasn't only LW aircraft either.

The problem is not the message you want to give but more how it sounded or how is it perceived

[devious]

Ok, I'm a newcomer to AH. I'm even a newcomer to the online flightsim stuff. Still I feel I need to respond to this "LW whining" discurssion.

It's not whining. These people, including me, don't want LW planes to behave "uber" or up to pilot stories/legends. The data presented in this forum was collected from RLM / NACA (is that name correct) tests. These people aren't squeaking in a high-pitched tone. They simply point out differences between the AH representation of the planes and the test data.

Fact is, LW plane "pilots" collect more data on their fave rides, therefore they discuss shortcomings in LW plane modelling. Just as anybody else might complain about their respective ride of choice. I don't know/have any historical material on P51s or F6Fs - I collect everything I can get about LW stuff, and I don't believe every number in every document to be correct just because it's more favourable to the plane than it's respective performance in AH.

Just wanted to get that clear.

[Wilbus]

What's so hard with coming in here, posting what's wrong with the planes YOU fly, and leave? Why start commenting and saying people whine because they post 10 (very legitimate except for 190 A8 Mk103) things  about LW planes and only 2 about any other?

Did Heinkel ever say they were all very very urgent? No.

So why come in an jump on him and the rest of the LW community?

In my opinion those are the only two real issues with exisiting German aircraft in AH.

And let's not forget many many other things, such as the Ta152 which IS wrong. But I guess my evidence there just qualifies me as a whiner aswell, right?

[Hristo]

back to the topic...a bug as old as AH


bug: fisheye perspective canopy struts on 109 windshield. 109E has it right, all other models are wrong

problem: effectively reduced forward field of vision on later 109s, as well as limited aiming and deflection shooting space

[illo]

190A rollrate.

Should peak at 190degrees/sec.
Now its around 150degrees/sec.

Thats major clitch.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Wilbus
What's so hard with coming in here, posting what's wrong with the planes YOU fly, and leave? Why start commenting and saying people whine because they post 10 (very legitimate except for 190 A8 Mk103) things  about LW planes and only 2 about any other?

Did Heinkel ever say they were all very very urgent? No.

So why come in an jump on him and the rest of the LW community?

 

And let's not forget many many other things, such as the Ta152 which IS wrong. But I guess my evidence there just qualifies me as a whiner aswell, right?

I jumped in because he heinkle posted this Plus, enough with the proof. After a few allied whines, the p38 got fixed. The typhoon got it's Drop tanks. I wonder why they havn't fixed somthing as obvious as the 190 Fuel order? or the Ta152 speeds? When Allied fans get every problem on their plane fixed ASAP, LW/Italian/IJN/IJA (Axis)fans would expect the same.


He is implying that  allied planes get some sort of preferential treatment.  That is just BS.  *That* classifies as a whine.

[vorticon]

being able to REPAIR your aircraft without having to land then up again thus losing your however many kills (we should have a total kill count to displayed in the hanger)

[moot]

Give the thread starter (who envisaged a data collection thread instead of something else) the right to delete flames.
If you want to argue over who has better karma in this fiasco, start another thread.

[Glasses]

Originally posted by Karnak
 
I have repetedly posted in favor of fixing the Ta152's speed, climb and acceleration.  I have never said otherwise.

The trigger groups could be done historically, but other than Vermillion I have never seen anybody ask for that.

I have heard that the Fw190A-5 is 20mph too slow at sealevel.  I'm skeptical.  I can't judge because I haven't seen the data and when I looked through my books today there was no speed listed for the Fw190A-5 at sea level.

I agree that the fuel gauge should be visible from the standard view, but I am skeptical that the misordering makes a significant difference in flight performance.  Calling it a "big part of the fight" is just so much exagertation and hyperbole.

I am glad HiTech said the bomb weight issue would be fixed. It needs to be.

Damage modeling is, as you just mocked me for, highly interpetive.  I have never found German cannons to be horribly weak on a per hit basis.

The Fw190D-9 radiator issue I had no comment on.  Glasesss seemed skeptical, and he flys the things a lot.  I'm not sure a run of bad luck isn't being misinterpeted here.

Most of the things Karnak has said are true. He agrees on the fact the Ta152 is not correct in AH and has not said otherwise. The radiator thing at least to me is almost rare that I get my radiator at least in the dora shot out form my 6. The fuelthing I think some took as priority one mandatory fixing, I took it as if something that could be much simpler to fix than some of the FM errors same thing goes for my Ta152 fuel placement these are less down in my list of fixing I think the Ta152 error is on a higher priority than the fuel or the seemingly radiator hit bubble from 6 clk.

This was a thread that was to me it seemed to put a list of things you found wrong in aircraft  not a "FIX IT NOW" type some has made it out to be, the Ta152 chart ammo requested has been posted and posted and double posted in these BBs,so I see why heinkel got a little bit upset when a certain person demanded proof. Of course people are going to be biased of the aircraft they fly, how the heck should they know the P47 is X or Y or Z they don't fly those planes nor have any data to them however most LW fans like devious has said don't want their aircraft to out perform in every other thing that the aircraft could not do in RL, just like me, I want the aircraft to be represented accuretely,like anyone else,and like Karnak said to me, I'd like the Ta152 to be modeled properly  aswell rather than being unperked when and if it's fixed I think it'll be worthy of remaining perked.


BTW Karnak 1944 Dora didn't have GM1 but production runs in 1945 I believe they started producing them with Gm1 kits.


Now, Calm down settle down ...Breathe in ....and Out ...Breathe in ....and out......

[BUG_EAF322]

And this wable award goes to

Heinkel

congratulations!!!

[Heinkel]

I get to wear that!!!???

Cool

[Wilbus]

Breaths in... breaths in... breaths in... breaths in... breaths in... breaths in...

Well, like Glasses said, the Ta152 chart (the special one) + others have been posted many many times, many times by me alone and to ask for more proof about that is just plain silly (don't know who asked for it).

Btw Ammo, you know I like you, always have always will, still, I hang on to my thoughts about your "police" buisiness but I like you never the less

NOW.. FIX MY TANK!

[Hangtime]

wow. can't believe i read the whole thread.

And I'd like to review a few basic facts and observations (you decide which is which)

1. Kurt Tank was Willie Messerschmidts butt-monkey..

2. Kurt Tank Invented gay

3. I miss StSanta

4. Devious is truly devious for injecting the one bit of truly intersting data in the whole thread... "Fact is, LW plane "pilots" collect more data on their fave rides, therefore they discuss shortcomings in LW plane modelling. Just as anybody else might complain about their respective ride of choice. I don't know/have any historical material on P51s or F6Fs - I collect everything I can get about LW stuff, and I don't believe every number in every document to be correct just because it's more favourable to the plane than it's respective performance in AH."

5. The LW community here in AH as such (a historicly accurate bunch of oddly gifted pilots in the arrogant kurt tank wannabe role complete w/ leather crotchless tights sporting funky black leather hoods from a ming the mercilless blow-off sale) is showing signs of a comeback.

6. AH Models the most dangerous LW aircraft ever pixelated in a computer sim.

7. AH LW pilots could never possibly have enough 190 and 109 variants/loadouts/ammo/speed/visability/victories/ROF/roll rate/durability/jets/leather wax/rockets or skilled pilots.

8. HTC will never have enuff slaves in its employ to make the LW happy (another odd historicaly correct point)

9. AH Allied pilots will continue to hugely enjoy the challenge of actually finding one of these rare AH Luftwaffe Experten on line below 28k outside his own radar coverage, and gangbanging his ch1 whiney bellybutton with a gazzillion nancy boy spit dweebs and flouncy skirted silver gruntbang drivers. (also historicly accurate) No sense givin the LW Historical Society an a-histiorical fight..

10. Kurt Tank is still gay.

[Wilbus]

LoL Hangtime, not sure on what points I agree. I am sure though that I agree on #3