If you want your aircraft fixed in Aces High...

[straffo]

Well I understand more your post this way

Concerning the missing speed of the A5 I won't take position as I'm not a specialist*about the FW.

The problem is not the missing (or not) speed but perhaps more the lack of feedback form HTC
(I say perhaps cause because of the disabled search I cannot found HTC opinion about it)

But if HTC have said one day : it's this way and it won't change why bother more ?
Take the AH 190A5 as a Hangar queen

* I'm specialist in nothing wich is a speciality

[brady]

Well Math, ty for the , but I must say for quiet a while I was tring to be iritating, to help my case, seamed that being nice was geting me nowhear, the sad thing is that it actualy worked so well in fact that that big brother had to put me in my place. In retrosepct it aint realy me, and If that is what it takes to get the point across it is not worth the bother. If I cant get what I hoped for out AH then I will go else whear play other games and just have fun which is what it is all about. I over did AH, so I play it less now and enjoy it more.

[Wotan]

I am implying that you and certain other guys are not appreciative or content with what you have. You have 5 FW's, 5 109's, 2 Jets, and one rocket plane (as brady corrected me) already and from what I have read of Heinkle's and Sach's posts, you think HTC is conspiring against the LW side of the game. Does that not sound as stupid to you as it does to me?? Surely you have more reason that that.

What are you talking about? I am no fan boi nor have I ever said ht is biased or anything. I dont need to be on bended knee and bowed head if I see something wrong.

you think HTC is conspiring against the LW side of the game.

Where did I say that? Ever?

You and the rest of the self appointed defenders of Aces High come into these threads, even the ones where data and charts are shown and start toejame with your "shut up lwhiners". You hijack every thread with "well so what if the a5 is slow my jug is slow to". As if the folks in this thread care about the jug. You fly the jug, you start a thread and post what you think is wrong.

don't proceed to tell me what I can and cannot comment on.

I am not telling you anything. I am calling you a toejame stirring antagonist.

Why did you even post in this thread? Just to stir up the pot. Plain and simple. You knew what would be posted here. You already knew you where going to come in this thread and tell everyone they are lwhiners.

Its the insulting that bugs me. Some folks glasses are half full, and others are always half M/T. Its the latter for certain LW fans. And, I am NOT lumping all LW fans in this bucket. There are some guys that are just having fun without all the whining. And, Please don't proceed to tell me what I can and cannot comment on.

Who are you that someone should be worried about insulting you? And how does any comment about about a game insult you? You enter threads and called folks whiners. Then you act as if you are taking some high road in the defending the honor of some game. I dont think anything in this thread, or the others were pointed at ammo.

A guy whined about a plane in a game, lets get ammo in here to call him a whiner.

Theres plenty of whines on this board, about plenty of things yet you only flash your whine police badge in this these types of threads.

You're the one claiming insult and being sick of the lwhiners. Are you a gluton? It seems to me if something bothered me like that, or was so insulting I would avoid it altogether.

And wilbuz is 100% cortrect here

Sorry ammo but whatever thread there is about LW planes, where info is posted, proof and evidence of something, good or bad, you come in there and call it a whine. Don't matter what it says, if it's LW, it's a whine acording to you.
You do act like some kind of whine police and try/do hijack some threads, be it for fun or not but it's getting kind of anoying. Untill you have eveidence that should somehow say that the evidence we have (which you won't find btw) please don't come in and scream whiners in those kind of threads.

[Karnak]

Well, this thread may have had potential until Heinkel's first post where he listed every quibble and imaginary defect with every Luftwaffe aircraft.

At that point it just became a whine.

Unbridled bias, a good example being Heinkel's first post in this thread, will never accomplish anything.  It simply reveals the individual to be a fanatic.  Further statements made in this thread simply reinforce that.


I have spent many hours looking for supporting evidence of many of the Fw190 and Bf109 claims that get posted here.  By and large I have found very little.  Things that get claimed as obvious here, such as GM1 and MW50 boost in 1943 aircraft, I find to actually be plans and tests only.  There is much that falls into that category that I see people saying they have proof positive of.  Well, proof positive of a test bed aircraft does not make it standard on operational aircraft.

There are a few significant problems that I would like to see addressed, but posting every nitpicking quibble about every aircraft does not accomplish anything.


The Fw190F-8 needs many, many more loadout options.

The Ar234B should be changed in regards to how the perking works.  Currently it is effectively perked at 180, of which 120 is unlikely to be recovered on landing.  Either drob its perk price to 20, or better yet don't deduct perk points for lost drones, e.g. all perk points are returned if even one Ar234 out of the formation makes it back to base.

In my opinion those are the only two real issues with exisiting German aircraft in AH.  The fuel tank usage order has been blown way, way out of proportion.  You guys are reacting to it like its a major porking, when in fact it is a minor inconvience.

[Heinkel]

Well, this thread may have had potential until Heinkel's first post where he listed every quibble and imaginary defect with every Luftwaffe aircraft.

Not whining, just pointing out what is wrong. Wasn't only LW aircraft either.

[Heinkel]

Actually what's blowing this thread away is posts like yours. This thread is about problems with aircraft. Not attacking LW fans. Post your thing about the mosquito (which is very very valid) and move on.

[Karnak]

Heinkel,

After you made this thread a Luftwaffe whine thread it became pointless to post anything about anything in it.

You can't expect to be taken at all seriously when you list off every single Luftwaffe aircraft as in need of urgent fixing.  That is simply redicules.

(Throwing in the brief bit about the C.202 and 205 missing their 60lb bombs does not change the obvious thrust of you post)

[Heinkel]

The only urgent things on that list is the 190A-5 speeds, and 152. Some of that stuff wasn't a whine but a request. A 37mm for the 110G for anti-bomber work. New loadouts for the Il-2 since we are getting Tiger tanks, same for Ju88. BOmbs for the 202/205 so incase we wont get an Italian jabo, the italy fans can still have some fun. The bombs for the 109 (500k). Allied planes have every possible bomb load out, all I ask is the common bomb load outs for the MAIN German fighter. That's all.

[Wotan]

Things that get claimed as obvious here, such as GM1 and MW50 boost in 1943 aircraft, I find to actually be plans and tests only.

bs karnak heinkel never asked for gm1 or mw50 in 1943 ac.

Well, this thread may have had potential until Heinkel's first post where he listed every quibble and imaginary defect with every Luftwaffe aircraft.

At that point it just became a whine.

Unbridled bias, a good example being Heinkel's first post in this thread, will never accomplish anything. It simply reveals the individual to be a fanatic. Further statements made in this thread simply reinforce that.

Again bs, ofcourse hes biased those the planes flies. How hard is that for you to grasp? His post was his list. Dont act like if he got on his hands and knees that anything in his list or in this thread would be fixed.

I dunno what the problems are with all the ac in ah. Wilbuz, heinkel, brady and others posted data in support of their claims.

You started a "my mossie is weak" thread with only the smallest amount of anecdotal evidence to support your claim. What was that if not a biased whine?

You are the biggest hypocrit in ah. Always actin like the crap you spew out is some how above anyone elses.

Everything he posted has supporting evidence to back it up. If you think its "nitpicking" so what. Who are you? Fuel management in the 190s are a big part of the fight. You cant see the fuel guage, you have to cycle the correct order to get maximum performance out of it. In multi con enviroments you can easily drain 1 tank to empty. The trigger groupings are another issue that are important. 30mm and 20 and 13 dont have the same trajectory.  In fights against fighters you waste your 30m. The opposite when engaging bombers. Explosive content of some of the rounds are important. The difference in 5 rounds and 20. In a 109e you get 120 rounds firing together. Having bombs labelled in kilograms and not having then equal their true weight are another issue. Its the difference between diving through the ack and the furball multiple times to achieve the same result as a us plane even though technically the lw planes carry as much if not more. Ord loadouts not just for the f8, but the 202 and 205 are of interest to guys in my squad. We fly these planes. 190d9 radiator hits coming from 6 o'clock are another thing.

Others have posted charts which showed the a5s speed at sea level was to slow, 12 - 15 mph. Wilbuz has posted  a chart that shows the 152 climbed better and was faster. Its only trivial to you because these planes arent your plane of choice.

You are the whiniest of any of the folks in ah. From your "my poor weak mossie", to your "everyone calls spits dweebs" to "bombers are worthless" to "I wont fly the ct because everyone doesnt fly the planes I want"  and finally "when I fly a perk plane folks try to kill me". You are living up to your reputation, keep up the good work.

You like you brethren enter this thread expecting to start crap with the first "lwhiner" you see.

[Karnak]

Wotan,

I do not, unlike some people, only post favorable things about "nation x's" aircraft and negative things about everybody else's aircraft.

In as much as that, yes, I am less biased.

Am I unbiased?  Obviously no.  I don't think it is truely possible for a human to be unbiased.

You can rant and rave all you want because I occasionally post about things I actually use, e.g. the Mosquito.  However, you can also ignore the things I post about that I do not use, e.g. the Fw190F-8, Ta152H-1, GV armor, bombers, ect, ect.  Its your choice, but I don't see you asking for things to be fixed that don't affect you directly.

Examining one sides aircraft with a microscope looking for errors and then acting like the small errors you find are evidence of absolute bias against your toys is laughable roadkill.

All AH aircraft have errors, some worse than others.  By and large they don't matter that much, at least not until the significant ones get fixed.  Thus we should bring the significant errors to the attention of HTC, not the nearly useless chaff like the fuel tank usage order.

BTW, I never accused Heinkel of asking for MW50 or GM-1 on 1943 aircraft.  I mentioned that only because I had seen demands for it in the past.  I have also seen demands for GM-1 in the Fw190D-9, which so far as I can tell never had it.

EDIT:

OK, I read you complete post.

You're a bellybutton Wotan, one who apparently only pays attention to some of my posts and picks the most hostile ones to remember.

I have repetedly posted in favor of fixing the Ta152's speed, climb and acceleration.  I have never said otherwise.

The trigger groups could be done historically, but other than Vermillion I have never seen anybody ask for that.

I have heard that the Fw190A-5 is 20mph too slow at sealevel.  I'm skeptical.  I can't judge because I haven't seen the data and when I looked through my books today there was no speed listed for the Fw190A-5 at sea level.

I agree that the fuel gauge should be visible from the standard view, but I am skeptical that the misordering makes a significant difference in flight performance.  Calling it a "big part of the fight" is just so much exagertation and hyperbole.

I am glad HiTech said the bomb weight issue would be fixed. It needs to be.

Damage modeling is, as you just mocked me for, highly interpetive.  I have never found German cannons to be horribly weak on a per hit basis.

The Fw190D-9 radiator issue I had no comment on.  Glasesss seemed skeptical, and he flys the things a lot.  I'm not sure a run of bad luck isn't being misinterpeted here.

[Wotan]

You're a bellybutton Wotan, one who apparently only pays attention to some of my posts and picks the most hostile ones to remember.

Well hello their kettle. I guess you dont care to be called a whiner, ey?

The difference is heinkel, nor I come back with personal vulgar insults. Look at the tones of the folks who posted. Heinkel posted "his list". Instead of posting yours (same with ammo and math) you all revert to insults on a personal level.

More of your bs hypocracy. You were about top cry when folks referred to "shitfires" but all  to quick to throw out your own garbage.

The reason heinkel doesnt post about other craft is, one he doesnt fly them, two he doesnt fly them. How would he know whats important to the guys who actually fly them. Unlike you he doesnt pretend to know whats important. He and I fly 190s we know that fuel tank order is important and the fact there is no quick visual makes a difference in an area of high amounts of enemy.

Theres nothing like being on a zoom climb and having your aft tank run dry while an la7 is following you up. Theres nothing like entering a fight with a full aft tank and trying to pull lead on a spit 9 who breaks hard then you stall because of the c of g. So dont tell me you fly the a5 5 times a tour so you know whats important.

Heinkel never said dont fix anything until you get to my issues. He simply said that the issues that were there when he came to ah are still there while other issues which developed after his issues were 1st reported have been addressed.

Simple as that. If you got an issue with the planes you fly post umm, but dont attack others because you dont share their concerns.

And like ammo if your tired and insulted by the whines how about not reading them?

[-ammo-]

its useless to make a point with you wotan.  I wont beat my head trying to get you to understand,  or listening to your whiny diatribe.  Better to expend energy on more worthwhile things.

[NOD2000]

how about the torp racks that i have read so much about for the b-26...............

[Wotan]

my whiney dribble? I dont whine bud, if things get changed or stay the same it wont wont bug me.

But you whine police need be put in your place. that aint jumping on someone just because you feel they may have "whined" about some game they play.

In a thread entitled "Name the things you want fixed about AH" you knew you were reading in this thread looking for chance to tell someone that they are a whiner. You do it just about every thread like this. Then act as if you are on the high road.

[Karnak]

Jeez Wotan,  Who pissed in your cornflakes?