A perfect example of what an RPS becomes

[lazs2]

and corsairs did fight other corsairs and p51's... the 51's lost.
lazs

[poopster]

Mike said it best. The "idea" sounds soooo good. It really does.

The grass is greener..

How it plays out, and to play it out over a few years is an entirely different matter. We've experienced that. It really DID suck believe it or not.

Beet1e I really hope you come to terms with your La7 conflicts..

Appears you want an RPS simply to not have to see them.

Of course than you'll have all the dweeb Gottowins flying 109E's. Imagine 250 109E's at primetime, 100 spits, and 32 zero's

Want to fly something else ?? Turn off the computer and come back at the end of the week...

Then you have the 109F, Spit V..

Short memory old man

[beet1e]

Of course than you'll have all the dweeb Gottowins flying 109E's. Imagine 250 109E's at primetime, 100 spits, and 32 zero's

Some things to note:

• I do not fly at "prime time", if by that you mean the peak time in the US.
• Got killed 3 times by LA7s last Tod, but killed 14 of them. Nuff said

[poopster]

but killed 14 of them

See what you'd miss ???

Everyone who likes the idea of an RPS has to picture in his or her mind is 60% or better of the ENTIRE arena flying the same plane in the early RPS.

That is the reality.

Does that sound like "fun" ??

I want all of your 500 word essays explaining the "fun" involved with that reality on my desk Monday morning.

[Otto]

Originally posted by popeye
RPS won't work here, either.  There aren't enough players with the skills to adapt to a changing plane set.

I'm one of them.

[beet1e]

Poop - I was AFK from a P47 jabo assault on 38 when I posted. That 14 just went up to 15.  But oh, forgot ToD rollover has happened...

The WB RPS was fine - until they introduced the WW2A. That's what killed it.

[poopster]

Where the all in one plane problem is the main drawback of an RPS, the other drawback comes when you check to see how much time out of the month you can spend flying your favorite ride.

If your favorite is American and late war, take a look at the chart and figure out how much time you'll be allowed to fly "your" plane.

Example is a 21 day tour. If you love the Pony D you'll have a long wait.... Dora drivers get to fly there ride...a whole four days

http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/rps/rps.html

Please incorporate these new found realities into your essays



P.S. Beet1e have you ever thought of dedicating a tour to killing as many La7's as you can ?? Could be fun

[beet1e]

If your favorite is American and late war, take a look at the chart and figure out how much time you'll be allowed to fly "your" plane.

Yes, but by the same token, have you considered the plight of the early war aficionados? There they are, trying to fly their Spit 1a/Hurri-1/P40/109E/[other]...  and what do they come up against, day after day after day? P51D, Dora, LA7, YAK, Spit IX, P38L, Typhoon, 109G10....... - need I go on?  How much fun do you think it is for those early war guys? You hadn't thought about that, had you?

I sit on the fence, being a mid-war sort of guy. But Poopster, this "Waaah, I want my own plane and I should be able to have it because I pay my $14.95/month, waaaaah!" attitude puts you firmly in the self-centred FFF whiners' camp. I thought you were more of a man...

[Hornet]

sure there are "gottawins" out there who only fly la7s because its their best chance to score kills, but from reading this thread it sounds like there's an equal number of "sorelosers" out there as well.

A lot of people fancy themselves as superior, or noble in some way because they don't fly nikis or la7s, but that claim becomes rather thin if you squeal like a stuck pig everytime you get whupped by one.

This game has a lot of good sticks who do well in a variety of different planes.

[poopster]

being a mid-war sort of guy

So was I, 190 man there  Hate flying 109's to this day.

have you considered the plight of the early war aficionados?

Have you forgotten the low attendence in the arena early war ?? Or the jump in numbers the last week ?? Selective memory..

Selective memory does not an debate make. Unless you talk politics

The pilots in early war planes in the current arena don't whine about it. They kill late war planes and giggle.

Checking your stats last tour. It shows narry a kill in an early war plane

Funny though, the most kills are in an osty and a CANNON HOG ??????????????????

Beet1e ARE YOU POSTURING ?????

Sorry to say, I would have thought different

[beet1e]

** unkind stuff deleted **

Poop, sorry that I said what I said. I came home after a few beers at the Dog and Badger, and a meal in a Greek restaurant. Whenever I go to a Greek restaurant, the food bill is always exceeded by the bar bill.

[beet1e]

No, you wont see me in an early war plane, but neither will you see me in an LA7. Back in WB, where my connection to the server always sucked, I found that I would have to empty my guns to get a single kill - talking about those Spit1a .303s. Another guy (thrax) was better than me, but he had the same problems - we suspect caused by packet loss etc. So I needed something with big guns. The 190A4 came out on Day 4.

Have you forgotten the low attendence in the arena early war ??

No, I haven't forgotten, because as far as I'm aware the attendance continued at the same level. YOU play at US prime time, whereas I play during Euro hours. It could be that many Americans didn't want to play in the early war week because there were no American planes available, America not having entered WW2 until late 1941. But from where I sit, I saw no difference in the attendance in Early War Week. I didn't like it, but that is not the same as saying that we shouldn't have it. I know it's fashionable to think only of oneself these days (looking out for #1 etc., ME ME ME ME ME - a trait epitomized by... no, I wont say his name).  But I am different, and would like to see a planeset that allows everyone to have their day in the sun. Without that, we will never be free of LA7 fragfests. Right now, every day is LA7 day. But when do we get Spit1a Day, or Early Zeke Day? Never. Because the hordes, attracted by the flat rate pricing plan, are not interested in that. I said all this further up the thread.

It has to be said that early war planes don't stand much chance against the later planes.

Or the jump in numbers the last week ??

Yes, even WB had a ridiculous period at the end. P51D, Ki84, 262...

...and the reason is that there exists a preponderance of people who just want to get up and shoot something. That's why I find furballing so mindless, and boring.  You rarely saw me on WB JetDay.

So remember Poop - just because I'm carrying a torch doesn't mean that it's my own torch. I see you were caught off guard by that.

Checking your stats last tour. It shows narry a kill in an early war plane. Funny though, the most kills are in an osty and a CANNON HOG ??????????????????

Not true. My combined Osti and C-Hog kills accounted for less than half of my total kills for the last ToD. Sorry to have to disappoint you with the FACTS!!!

[lazs2]

beetle... maybe you need to try an la7 to see what it is all about.  It is nothing special except under ideal conditions.

I like early war planes and in the current MA I can at least fly one/against one I have found by finding a fight between a close carrier and a base.   short distances make good early war fights and exclude the later war planes from the fun..  sure, they try to horn in but they are relatively clumsy and harmless and not part of the action in any significant way.

I think a few more fields that were closer together on every map would help early plane usage.   I also think an area in the corner of the pizza map for early war planes only would be a good thing.  

An RPS would be selfish.  It would only please a few vocal guys who don't fly much anyway.   They are vocal and dissatisfied because they are bored and about to leave no matter what happens so pleasing them is not too smart.
lazs

[poopster]

Point by point:

A-4 came out day seven. That meant flyin a 109E-F for a damm week. At that time it was the WWII arena, and being a luftwobble I just didn't fly much. Flying a plane you don't enjoy is...well silly.

I know it's fashionable to think only of oneself these days

Disagree there, but it may be geography. Out here in willyville the board of supervisors are working on a bill to pay the homeless of the "City" minimum wage...This is the home of Barbara Boxer....The independent Country of Berkley is located here. I've had it up to "here" with noble causes and special interest groups. Come to California, you'll be in heaven.  

Paying for everyone else is taken out of my check each payday, whats left over is about "me". Selfish, no, I already gave

In conclusion, what are the 2 top spots on your stat page ?

Carrier fights ARE the best. Never thought about why though..Think you nailed it Lazs

[beet1e]

Lazs and Poop - hope you have a defibrillator available because...

... I agree with you both!  I think Lazs's idea to have a section of the map for early war planes is a good one. We've talked about it before. And if two guys like lazs and me, diametrically opposed in what we want from a sim, can agree on that, then it must be an idea worth presenting to HTC and the rest of the community.  

I like carrier ops and jabo, so a natural choice for me is the F4U (1C or 1D).

A-4 came out day seven.

Yes, in Peril's RPS in the WW2A, that is quite correct. But in the old 4-colour MA, it came out on Day 4.  And what a relief it was when that day came around!

Come to California, you'll be in heaven.

As a matter of fact, I lived in California about 20 years ago - Concord, up past Walnut Creek. Gawd, that area has become so built up since I lived there. I was working for Bechtel in Walnut Creek.

Paying for everyone else is taken out of my check each payday, whats left over is about "me".

Well, I like having happy co-gamers.

As for the LA7, I'll try it offline - and the N1K, but only to see what they can do so that I know how to tackle them. As for this comment about the LA7 -

It is nothing special except under ideal conditions.

Hmmm, not that special? Is there any propeller powered plane in the planeset that's faster? I dived on an LA7 in a P47 (reached 550mph which gradually ebbed away) and I still could not catch that LA7