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Offline Creamo

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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2002, 01:32:36 PM »
If he can beat Animal  or Central when they sport P38's and "Drex The GOD" is in a JU88, Ill buy his account till Christmas.

If he signs up for Exiles Ladder, I'll buy his next month as long as he fwd's Laz2's emails to me.

"Gosh, my mouth, it stopped and dropped". Fly boy, fly! Stunning! Gosh! WOW! Do that acm stuff...

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« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2002, 02:01:06 PM »
moot, urchin, wotan - all who like LW rides - bow before your master.

He lays claim to something none of us can lay claim to - he has never been shot down while flying a Ta 152 in AH.



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« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2002, 02:05:53 PM »
I'll jump on the drex bandwagon too. Although I've never had a run in with him here, he did make a fool out of me a couple times in WBs. One time that comes to mind is when 4 352nd jumped him with an alt. advantage and he killed every single one of us. Anybody that knows the 352nd from WBs knows that it has some pretty capable pilots, it was the most amazing flying I've ever seen in any sim since I started back in 99.

Oh yea Kanth is pretty damn good too:p

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« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2002, 02:18:25 PM »
Certainly Laz2 is polishing DREX's  stick and pushing him out to prove he can beat Animal or Central in their P38's, with "Master JU-88" legendary ACM.

Buck up pony or snuggle with Laz2.

What a fake.

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« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2002, 02:35:32 PM »
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Certainly Laz2 is polishing DREX's  stick and pushing him out to prove he can beat Animal or Central in their P38's, with "Master JU-88" legendary ACM.

Buck up pony or snuggle with Laz2.

What a fake.


Please clarify as I cannot understand what in the world you are trying to say.

Thanks:)

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« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2002, 02:44:40 PM »
And should push him out into at least play where people see "this master", like Exiles Ladder before Laz2's drool dries on his flight pants.

Does this mean I have to explain everything and pick on you Rude from now on?

Deal.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2002, 02:48:09 PM by Creamo »

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« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2002, 02:46:03 PM »
Drex is the best I know in the game.

Way back before my 13th Tas days drex took me along with him  in 51D's to a field that was being vultched by the rooks.

There were 11 cons there, I know this because thats how many kills Drex landed.

The cool part was he entered the fight at 4k.

After the fight I apologized for not getting any kills, he saluted me for a great effort and added that I helped distract enough of them so he could concentrate on 3-4 at a time.

Class act in all aspects of the game

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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2002, 03:32:29 PM »
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wide.. you are justifying and I think you are smart enough to know it.   I don't care about "fair" fights.   the point is... drex wins from unfair fights just like you.   difference is... he works from an unfair disadvantage and you work from an unfair advantage.   this has nothing to do with anything except...  skill level.   He is more skilled than you.  you fly smarter than him but then.... everyone inthe game flys smarter than him.

So I guess drex has made "best" a blurry (at best) equation.   His lack of hit percentage and his willingness to fight till he dies make his "score" relatively low.   some, like yourself make the most of the fact that you can play this game risk free if you are smart enough and have relatively high scores.   I am merely saying that he has more acm skills than you and that if you attack him... then, what you would normaly consider a suffiecient advantage will not be enough.   You will get burned.   If he attacks you.... you will not be able to defeat him on your own even with a huge alt or plane choice or position advantage.

In the arena this translates to.... Some people are scary... you attack them with an advantage and they look helpless and they somehow turn everything around and you die...  Others swoop down from an advantage and you can't seem to overcome your disadvantage in time or... you never even see em...

when you reflect back (like in this thread)  the former sticks out and the latter has to blow his own horn cause for some reason... ya feel like ya never really got beat by him.
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I'm not arguing that Drex isn't the best. I'm not implying that my skills are anything remotely close to his. This is not an issue whatsoever.

I think that you have missed the point of the Grant/Lee story. Of all the battlefield commanders who ever lived, Lee is perhaps the most studied in “war colleges” around the globe. He was brilliant battlefield tactician, although sometimes considered a bit impetuous at times. No one in the Union army could consider themselves as being even remotely close to Lee in skill.

This is why Grant’s Corps Commanders were so anxious. Grant, on the other hand didn’t care about what Lee might do, he was more concerned with what he (Grant) was going to do.

And thus it is in the MA. I know there are pilots out there with greater ACM skills than I have. Quite a few, actually, and I’m sure you do also. So what? It sure as hell hasn’t prevented me from shooting them down, has it? Yet, these same pilots almost never shoot me down. Why do you think that is? Ponder it for a moment and then read on.

Back in late 1944, the Eighth Air Force issued a training document that was compiled and written by successful combat pilots. It was distributed to newly arriving pilots as they attended “Clobber College”, the 8th’s combat training school.

Unlike Shaw, this document is focused exclusively on tactics, or simply stated, what happens before and after guns are fired. The good news is that it has been reprinted and can be found at Amazon.com. Look for the Osprey title, The Long Reach.

We fly in an environment that is frequently different from that which existed in the ETO, circa 1944. However, the basic tactics can be adapted and used with great effectiveness.

I have stated before, that if I must depend upon ACM to kill the enemy or simply survive, I’ve already screwed the pooch. The tactics I use are designed to negate any advantage in ACM skills, and for the most part, they do. I fully understand that many, if not most players enjoy the challenge of furballing. Generally, I do not. Therefore, over the past 6 months I have worked on developing tactics that allow me to kill and not be killed. This has proven to be undeniably effective.

Finally, In December of 1941, Japan’s Army and Naval Air Forces were densely populated with pilots highly skilled at ACM. When these pilots encountered the AVG in Burma and China they suffered tremendous losses to the tactics of Claire Chennault. Those tactics revolved around speed, surprise and the art of ambush. Eventually, these same tactics were adopted by U.S. Army, Navy and Marines. By the end of the war, Japanese fighter pilot deaths exceeded 90%. In comparison, the losses experienced by U.S. fighter pilots were in the range of 8-9% (to all causes).

Whether or not you can appreciate my “style” of flying is irrelevant. Nothing succeeds quite like success. Indeed, the greatest skills become moot if you do not have opportunity to utilize them. My intent is to deny them that opportunity.
I am not adverse to furballing in the TA for the fun of it. However, once in the MA, I fly by my rules and not those wished upon me.

My regards,

Widewing
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« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2002, 03:34:15 PM »
Yes but do you have to fly with him, he hogs all the kills.

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« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2002, 03:36:24 PM »
ummm...who is this Drex guy, anyway?

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« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2002, 03:42:01 PM »
creamo = skilled

i think hes the best by far
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« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2002, 03:42:45 PM »
One way or another stats always have flukes. Not convincing to show perfect K/D, you could make a new account, dodge every death and still kill left and right, that's not convincing.

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« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2002, 04:03:49 PM »
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Best pilots of the game?

The ones that keep their mouth shut (Off CH. 1) and do the talking to their sticks! Thats who! ;)


Uh, but I've heard you end up with hairy palms?

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« Reply #133 on: September 12, 2002, 05:48:18 PM »
i nominate the BDP...that fukn website is funny as hell......lololololo   everytime i see ur link i go just to smile:)...thx nath


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« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2002, 06:10:21 PM »
To me, there are quite a few players in this game who could be considered among the best, for a variety of reasons:
A lot of guys can handle one particular ride so well that they are nearly impossible to beat when they are in it.
Some even come out on top in obsolete rides again and again.
Others often fight well at a great energy or numerical disadvantage.
Some never seem to lose one on ones.
Quite a few understand ACM very well and have great SA.
Some always seem to be in the right place at the right time.
A number do a great job of never allowing themselves to get into a disadvantageous situation.
Many can fly almost anything well.  
Some just make you do stupid things when you seem to have everything going for you.
A few are just downright clever and always seem to think outside the box.
Some players are great at achieving various team oriented strategic objectives.
And then there are those who have many of these attributes.

For these reasons, there are too many to list whom I consider "among the best".

But then there are those very few who have almost all of the above attributes, and consistently have them to the highest degree.  Lots of players have done a number of amazing things, a few do amazing things all the darn time. These are the guys who are always able to clean my clock, whatever the situation.  There are a few guys out there who are so much better than me at nearly everything, that I can't really tell them apart.  I can't even find one skill that I out-do them in.  Not even one way that I can rationalize that I might be comparable to them in the slightest way...   
Proven over time, these two are truly the best in my book:

Mitsu & Fester

Personally, I can't include players like Nath, CUCKOO, and others, because I just haven't run into them all that often.  I know them mostly by reputation and/or statistics.  Clearly they are great, but I don't know how they compare to Fester and Mitsu.

And then there's Drex.  
He had a heck of a reputation, but had hardly logged any online hours and all of his stats were good, but not outstanding.  I was wondering what all the buzz was about...
Then I met him at the con 2 years ago.  Jarbo and I fought him and egle in 109Fs in our first match of the 2 v 2 ladder.  Jarbo and I had been flying the 109F for months, and we had winged together with a phone link for years.  We could hold our own in the old 109 in all kinds of situations.  It was our ride.  Drex and egle had to set up veiws before the fight, they'd never flown it.  Jarbo went with egle and I fought Drex.  Very quickly, I was on his six within kill range.  Near black-out, I just couldn't get my nose high enough to get a firing solution on him.  Then he was above me, then behind me, then he shot my wing off.  
The P-47 fight was embarrassing.  I just hate that old dump truck.  Drex flew it like a spit.  I still hate it.
Drex doesn't have the experience, and doesn't do as many different things as Fester and Mitsu, But the fact that he is so damn good with so little practice sets him apart.  I'm sure that he could adapt to Mitsu and Fester's level of expertise at nearly everything very quickly.  Even though the only two times that I've ever run into him online, I've found him sound asleep, I know better than to assume much from it.

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